cisco said...

Sham1984 said...

i can't believe how many people are against same sex marriage and parenting.

it wont effect YOU in any way. simple as that

Not quite so. At the very least my children will be effected by interaction with children of same sex couples at school. Not so simple.

How will that effect your children, except to teach them that all humans are equal.
Or are you scared they might catch it.
I was friends with a kid at school whos parents were born again christians.Just because I interacted with their kid,didnt effect me in becoming a loonie bible basher.

Cisco, what will you do if one of your kids is gay??

Same sex couples can't make babies.

But through their manipulation of existing laws they are able to legally acquire them. Children should not be seen as objects that can be acquired - and this goes for single parents who get $900 a pop from the government to pop them out.

I haven't heard anyone, except for Doggie - who spoke about his own experiences as an adopted child - talk about a child's right to their biological mother and father.

It's all about pandering to the politically active 0.000000001% of the population, who talk so passionately about their rights.

Same sex couples should be happy with legal equal rights and puppies.

If 'marriage' and 'children' are more important than their relationship - they should consider a partner from the opposite sex who can make this happen for them.



Well they look happy in the photo and I'm sure Mummy and Mummy will be great parents. But what happens if there is a split in the partnership or something goes wrong? Because the baby was acquired, when it comes down to it will they share the same level of commitment as a regular couple who are both involved in conception? Who get's custody?

I would really love to hear baby Alexandra's story at age 18, and I'm sure we will hear it. I wonder if her school years were filled with the same level of equality as her mothers were? I wonder if she will miss not having a father - like most other kids? I wonder if her biological father has any rights?

It's just a big can of worms. Good luck to Penny, Sophie and Alexandra - I hope they stay as happy as they look in this photo. I don't think it will be an easy road.

Mrs say homo marriage is OK cos they should have rights, and I agree with what ever she says or I get no back door action.

Wait, WTF did I just type... Oh man I'm stuffed I just ate a WHOLE pizza and 2/3 bottle of wine... Tasmanian Pino Noire.

(1) Damn run out of my 10 thumbs for today just in this thread.

(2) Congrats Adolf, in the running for longest thread since Top Joke

(3) Boofta for P.M

Mark _australia said...

(1) Damn run out of my 10 thumbs for today just in this thread.

(2) Congrats Adolf, in the running for longest thread since Top Joke

(3) Boofta for P.M

When I started this thread, I had forgoten about the original thread back in December, started by Loggy: www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/General-Discussion/Chat/Gay-Marriage-Anyone - it went for 8 pages also.

I was looking at it again today. Personally, I would like nothing more than this issue to just go away. I know it will eventually, when the politicians knock it on the head.

Months ago I really couldn't have cared less, but the more peeps keep pushing for it, the more I started thinking about it and arcing up about it.

Sham1984 said...
how exactly do you think this would affect your children?

i dare say it would be impossible to tell on face value a person who has been raised by a same sex parents vs male/female parents.

Fairly obvious isn't it?? They will be exposed to moral values vastly different from those I try to instill in them that are relevant to their cultural and family heritage.

Now if someone is going to say that it is wrong to instill moral, social and cultural values into your own children, I say they have their head completely up their rear end.

log man said...

boofta said...

One of them is biologically not related to the child.
It is a selfish, indulgent sham of a family group.
Set up purely for the adults, the child has no choice.
What about the childs rights to be raise by ITS
real parents-lefty,trendy,pinko,feminist crap.

So my two friends who just adopted are "an indulgent sham of a family group"??? Neither of them is biologically related to the child. I know for a fact that they're the most loving, caring people and young Kitty will grow up in family that loves her dearly. By the way they're both professionals(nurses), middle of the road, politically, and aren't real feminists.

My wife's cousin (is that my cousin in law) also adopted a baby with her same-sex lawyer partner a few years ago, just like your friends, when they were in love. I'm sure there family photo looks alot like Penny's above.

Sadly, they have now separated, and it isn't pretty, it isn't cheap and it certainly isn't loving anymore. Financially alone, it's turning into a disaster with at least one of them probably having to declare bankruptcy over it.

Out of that relationship, from where I am, there is only one person who doesn't seem to have any rights at all.

Loggy, I really hope your two selfish friends and their latest acquisition turn out how you think.

adolf said...

log man said...

boofta said...

One of them is biologically not related to the child.
It is a selfish, indulgent sham of a family group.
Set up purely for the adults, the child has no choice.
What about the childs rights to be raise by ITS
real parents-lefty,trendy,pinko,feminist crap.

So my two friends who just adopted are "an indulgent sham of a family group"??? Neither of them is biologically related to the child. I know for a fact that they're the most loving, caring people and young Kitty will grow up in family that loves her dearly. By the way they're both professionals(nurses), middle of the road, politically, and aren't real feminists.

My wife's cousin (is that my cousin in law) also adopted a baby with her lawyer partner a few years ago when they were in love.

Sadly, they have now separated, and it isn't pretty, it isn't cheap and it certainly isn't loving anymore. Financially alone, it's turning into a disaster with at least one of them probably having to declare bankruptcy over it.

Out of that relationship, from where I am, there is only one person who doesn't seem to have any rights at all.

Loggy, I really hope your two selfish friends and their latest acquisition turn out how you think.

So your saying people that get married.....and have kids.....shouldn't split up?

I like you Adolf, you're on the ball!

Wana get hitcvhed?>

adolf said...

log man said...

So your saying people that get married.....and have kids.....shouldn't split up?

No,

I'm saying that children should not be seen as objects that can be acquired. If things go wrong, which happens. In a same-sex marriage, there are added elements of complexity that need to be worked out.

On the surface I see these as: 1. rights of the child, 2. rights of the biological father
as well as the rights of the selfish lesbians who created the problem.

But why is it different for a hetro couple that adopt.... and a lesbian couple that adopt. Wouldn't the same outcomes happen in the event of "marriage" breakdown. Wouldn't the child be given to a custodial parent in both cases, I mean either by good will or by the family court. I'm not sure about this but I thought the law provides the possibility of the biological father gaining access(if he wants it)by a joint approval of child and father..... I may be completely wrong here but I still can't see how there would be any difference between the hetro family and the "selfish lesbians".

log man said...

But why is it different for a hetro couple that adopt.... and a lesbian couple that adopt. Wouldn't the same outcomes happen in the event of "marriage" breakdown. Wouldn't the child be given to a custodial parent in both cases, I mean either by good will or by the family court. I'm not sure about this but I thought the law provides the possibility of the biological father gaining access(if he wants it)by a joint approval of child and father..... I may be completely wrong here but I still can't see how there would be any difference between the hetro family and the "selfish lesbians".

You are right. However, now there is another person involved - the father. If things are not complicated enough when hetro couples split. We all know that relationships can change over time.

The other complexity is that one partner could not have any biological links to the child, will the courts favor this person more than the biological parent or are they equal too?

You bang on and on about equality - where is the equality when things go wrong in this situation.

As I wrote earlier:

Even if things are all hunky dory. How much time did Mummy and Mummy think about how their political statement will cope in the school system. What are they going to do at the first sight of bullying - Use their political nous to sue everyone involved?

How are they going to react when only a handful of children turn up to their childs birthday party? Will the only children who attend, be children from parents who are sympathetic to same-sex couples. Sadly this could well be the reality. I just think this is going to be very hard road for the child.

anyone who 'KNOWS' penny wong, who she is, what she stands for, and who she sold out too, would never allow her to breed let alone 'buy' a child...

if homosexuality was so 'natural', queerdos could sire their own kids...

funny thing is, never mind the 'species', they can't

stamp said...

at cisco: great idea. be compelled to stay in a loveless relationship. resent your spouse. resent the kids as the reason for having to stay together.
makes for a wonderful atmosphere at home to raise the kids until they reach majority. everyone's a winner eh?

mostly the reason for resentment is what....?

mainstream outside influence

the grass is always greener

you could have it better

people in junk mail are happy, why aren't you...?

the truth is, alcohol drinking, t.v watchers are having their minds programmed for them and their own self indignant 'rights' to immediate material/phsyical happiness questioned at every thought junction...

Besides, same sex couples raise violent children.









Just tryin to kick it out to 9 pages........
And is that Fez from That 70's show?

that sign there, agressive as it is, sums up everything that is wrong with men hating lesbians...

never met a pillow biter that hates women...

every single soccer playing, roller derbying, womens cricket enthusiast lesbian i've ever met (and having a dyke 'housemate I've met a few) hates men, hates them with a society altering passion