TonyAbbott said...The lefties were over-exaggerating how bad covid-19 was in order to destroy the economy

Shall we put that in the TA conspiracy files right next to "Climate Change is a Leftist Plot To End Western Civilisation"?

FormulaNova said..
Why would a 'leftie' want to destroy an economy if a 'leftie' is used to others funding them? Wouldn't they prefer to keep the status quo so that they are funded?

It does't make sense.

I guess logic will never get in the way of a conspiracy theory.

Because that's how "lefties" get power and that's what they really want. It's an ideological thing, not an economic thing,.

They preach about the unfairness of the current system, offer explanations of why and the solution to fix all the problems. Unhappy people lap it all up and go out and smash up their neighborhoods and loot stores "for justice".

Then when they actually takeover ... they go straight back to business as usual, and everyone is left standing around going "but I was a friend of the revolution, where is my dacha on the lake? Why the **** am I pulling this plow?"

It would make for a nice conspiracy theory if that wasn't what actually happened in such places as Russia, China, Cuba...

Kamikuza said..

FormulaNova said..
Why would a 'leftie' want to destroy an economy if a 'leftie' is used to others funding them? Wouldn't they prefer to keep the status quo so that they are funded?

It does't make sense.

I guess logic will never get in the way of a conspiracy theory.

Because that's how "lefties" get power and that's what they really want. It's an ideological thing, not an economic thing,.

They preach about the unfairness of the current system, offer explanations of why and the solution to fix all the problems. Unhappy people lap it all up and go out and smash up their neighborhoods and loot stores "for justice".

Then when they actually takeover ... they go straight back to business as usual, and everyone is left standing around going "but I was a friend of the revolution, where is my dacha on the lake? Why the **** am I pulling this plow?"

It would make for a nice conspiracy theory if that wasn't what actually happened in such places as Russia, China, Cuba...

So, when you say "lefties" .......do you mean Nazis??

TonyAbbott said..

FormulaNova said..

holy guacamole said..

TonyAbbott said...The lefties were over-exaggerating how bad covid-19 was in order to destroy the economy

Shall we put that in the TA conspiracy files right next to "Climate Change is a Leftist Plot To End Western Civilisation"?

Why would a 'leftie' want to destroy an economy if a 'leftie' is used to others funding them? Wouldn't they prefer to keep the status quo so that they are funded?

It does't make sense.

I guess logic will never get in the way of a conspiracy theory.

Correct, Marxism does not make sense

But Marx also said that Communism must come from the fall of Capitalist society. That it can't be ushered in any other way.

And what we are seeing right now, with Quantitive Easing Unlimited and/or Modern Money Theory is the state printing a whole lot of money and buying up all the assets.

Oh, you haven't noticed?

Kamikuza said..

log man said..
So, when you say "lefties" .......do you mean Nazis??

Equating the two would be your own personal delusion and intentional misunderstanding.

Well I assume it's intentional. Surely you're not THAT stupid.

what, have you given up on it??. Or maybe you've forgotten. Haha

Kamikuza said..

log man said..
what, have you given up on it??. Or maybe you've forgotten. Haha

No I haven't forgotten that I said "the Nazis considered themselves socialists", and I haven't forgotten that you still seem unable to understand that it's a statement of what THEY believed, and not what I do. Haha.

But keep working that narrative. I'll post the facts every time you make an ass out of yourself, just in case you've forgotten.

MMMmmmm, porky pies

log man said...


So, when you say "lefties" .......do you mean Nazis??

Not a lot of difference

Kamikuza said..

log man said..
what, have you given up on it??. Or maybe you've forgotten. Haha

No I haven't forgotten that I said "the Nazis considered themselves socialists", and I haven't forgotten that you still seem unable to understand that it's a statement of what THEY believed, and not what I do. Haha.

But keep working that narrative. I'll post the facts every time you make an ass out of yourself, just in case you've forgotten.

While traditionally socialism is a class based division, The German national socialist workers party promoted a fascistic, race based divison to garner votes and was neither of the traditional right (look after yourself) or of the left (state looks after you).

All political divisions, whether based on class or race etc. have a tendency to subsume philosophy into intolerance in order to achieved a populist "mandate" to enforce their particular doctrine through law, war or oppression.

The American president for example, and his political followers believe they have a enforceable mandate to rule. The American "left" believe this mandate should be theirs. In truth this great divide is a manufactured lie since the real power in a "market democracy" has always rested with the ability of capital to control the market through propaganda and the corruption of the political class. I.e. The fourth estate, the banks, the miners, the financiers, control the Australian democracy because they have the capital needed to create propaganda to swing large voting blocks. This is not new and at least there is almost always real freedom in a market democracy, you may not like any of the choices but you are free to make them.

Nb: The alternative is a "socialist democracy" where the corrupt political class is directly responsible for propaganda and capital and there is no choice.

Mr Milk said..
According to The Lancet, hydroxychloroquine is a little worse than useless.

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext

10?698 (11?1%) patients died in hospital. After controlling for multiple confounding factors (age, sex, race or ethnicity, body-mass index, underlying cardiovascular disease and its risk factors, diabetes, underlying lung disease, smoking, immunosuppressed condition, and baseline disease severity), when compared with mortality in the control group (9?3%), hydroxychloroquine (18?0%; hazard ratio 1?335, 95% CI 1?223-1?457), hydroxychloroquine with a macrolide (23?8%; 1?447, 1?368-1?531), chloroquine (16?4%; 1?365, 1?218-1?531), and chloroquine with a macrolide (22?2%; 1?368, 1?273-1?469) were each independently associated with an increased risk of in-hospital mortality.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/covid-19-surgisphere-who-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine

maybe the the data is just suffering TDS.

log man said..

Rails said..



While traditionally socialism is a class based division, The German national socialist workers party promoted a fascistic, race based divison to garner votes and was neither of the traditional right (look after yourself) or of the left (state looks after you).

All political divisions, whether based on class or race etc. have a tendency to subsume philosophy into intolerance in order to achieved a populist "mandate" to enforce their particular doctrine through law, war or oppression.

The American president for example, and his political followers believe they have a enforceable mandate to rule. The American "left" believe this mandate should be theirs. In truth this great divide is a manufactured lie since the real power in a "market democracy" has always rested with the ability of capital to control the market through propaganda and the corruption of the political class. I.e. The fourth estate, the banks, the miners, the financiers, control the Australian democracy because they have the capital needed to create propaganda to swing large voting blocks. This is not new and at least there is almost always real freedom in a market democracy, you may not like any of the choices but you are free to make them.

Nb: The alternative is a "socialist democracy" where the corrupt political class is directly responsible for propaganda and capital and there is no choice.

yeah, na!

You're literally disagreeing with the basis of the political ideology you subscribe to ... gold!

Medicine that exists for over 60 years, no patents, cheap and sold without script. Reumatism patients used it normally, and taken as prophilatic measure prior travel where Malaria is endemic.
Trump mentions it - becomes the worst poison in the world to all the media...OMS flip flops, skewed medical trials- which big lab would promote a drug that is cheap and wouldnt be exclusive to them?

The Political/Commercial edge of this Pandemic is been disgusting.
But

Suddendly taking the streets to protest and break/loot is morally acceptable - resuming work/study etc you are not.

Get a effin grip dudes

FormulaNova said..

Tequila ! said..
Medicine that exists for over 60 years, no patents, cheap and sold without script. Reumatism patients used it normally, and taken as prophilatic measure prior travel where Malaria is endemic.
Trump mentions it - becomes the worst poison in the world to all the media...OMS flip flops, skewed medical trials- which big lab would promote a drug that is cheap and wouldnt be exclusive to them?

The Political/Commercial edge of this Pandemic is been disgusting.
But

Suddendly taking the streets to protest and break/loot is morally acceptable - resuming work/study etc you are not.

Get a effin grip dudes

Just because a drug is out of patent protection and helps with some things does not mean it automatically is good for anything you decide on that day. No conspiracy here, just normal investigation, and guess what, its the wrong drug for the application.

Sure, pharmecutical companies would not promote an existing drug, but the world is not ruled by pharmecutical companies, despite what you want to imagein.

Yes...Australians are too soft for it. My 75 yrs old mom uses that for 10 years at least without issues. FACT

You guys in your hatred for Trump would jump ship without a floatie.
Me? I would use whatever its in hand. We are in unprecedented times. If its right or wrong the winners version of the story will prevail in the end.
But
BLM ! No need for the drugs anyway we are marching on the street! But give 5k fine for someone caught in the street flouting you Pandemic rules.

Bunch of sooks we all are. China is open for you business BTW while the economy fallout in the western world will take a decade to readjust and recover.

FormulaNova said..

Tequila ! said..

FormulaNova said..

Tequila ! said..
Medicine that exists for over 60 years, no patents, cheap and sold without script. Reumatism patients used it normally, and taken as prophilatic measure prior travel where Malaria is endemic.
Trump mentions it - becomes the worst poison in the world to all the media...OMS flip flops, skewed medical trials- which big lab would promote a drug that is cheap and wouldnt be exclusive to them?

The Political/Commercial edge of this Pandemic is been disgusting.
But

Suddendly taking the streets to protest and break/loot is morally acceptable - resuming work/study etc you are not.

Get a effin grip dudes

Just because a drug is out of patent protection and helps with some things does not mean it automatically is good for anything you decide on that day. No conspiracy here, just normal investigation, and guess what, its the wrong drug for the application.

Sure, pharmecutical companies would not promote an existing drug, but the world is not ruled by pharmecutical companies, despite what you want to imagein.

Yes...Australians are too soft for it. My 75 yrs old mom uses that for 10 years at least without issues. FACT

You guys in your hatred for Trump would jump ship without a floatie.
Me? I would use whatever its in hand. We are in unprecedented times. If its right or wrong the winners version of the story will prevail in the end.
But
BLM ! No need for the drugs anyway we are marching on the street! But give 5k fine for someone caught in the street flouting you Pandemic rules.

Bunch of sooks we all are. China is open for you business BTW while the economy fallout in the western world will take a decade to readjust and recover.

Right, your mum had Covid19 for ten years did she?

Lets treat brain tumours with paracetamol then. Sure, its been around for ages, and even though its a completely different disease, it works on headaches, so I am sure its something the pharmecutical companies are hiding from us.

China has almost unique control. They have a single government with absolute control. They want to do something, they just do it. if you can't see this, you aren't looking very hard.

I think you are over-estimating people's hatred for Trump. He appears to be an idiot that just regurgitates stuff without any real understanding. There are probably lots of people like me that look at this and think he is not the best statesman, but he has some good ideas as well. It doesn't mean that any brain fart he has is a good idea though.

Read European medical journals from France, Italy, Spain. Looks like that drug w Zinc, at early onset on simptoms have helped to contain the disease.
Not huge doses to who is already in a ventilator.

Now its a fact that Ventilators are only delaying death, since 9 of 10 people put in ventilators leave the hospital in a body bag.

So yes, give any drug to who is already in the brink of departing this world wont make difference. Blame the dog err drug.

No reason for drugs anyway...it was all a hoax...protests matter.

FormulaNova said..

Tequila ! said..

FormulaNova said..

Tequila ! said..

FormulaNova said..

Tequila ! said..
Medicine that exists for over 60 years, no patents, cheap and sold without script. Reumatism patients used it normally, and taken as prophilatic measure prior travel where Malaria is endemic.
Trump mentions it - becomes the worst poison in the world to all the media...OMS flip flops, skewed medical trials- which big lab would promote a drug that is cheap and wouldnt be exclusive to them?

The Political/Commercial edge of this Pandemic is been disgusting.
But

Suddendly taking the streets to protest and break/loot is morally acceptable - resuming work/study etc you are not.

Get a effin grip dudes

Just because a drug is out of patent protection and helps with some things does not mean it automatically is good for anything you decide on that day. No conspiracy here, just normal investigation, and guess what, its the wrong drug for the application.

Sure, pharmecutical companies would not promote an existing drug, but the world is not ruled by pharmecutical companies, despite what you want to imagein.

Yes...Australians are too soft for it. My 75 yrs old mom uses that for 10 years at least without issues. FACT

You guys in your hatred for Trump would jump ship without a floatie.
Me? I would use whatever its in hand. We are in unprecedented times. If its right or wrong the winners version of the story will prevail in the end.
But
BLM ! No need for the drugs anyway we are marching on the street! But give 5k fine for someone caught in the street flouting you Pandemic rules.

Bunch of sooks we all are. China is open for you business BTW while the economy fallout in the western world will take a decade to readjust and recover.

Right, your mum had Covid19 for ten years did she?

Lets treat brain tumours with paracetamol then. Sure, its been around for ages, and even though its a completely different disease, it works on headaches, so I am sure its something the pharmecutical companies are hiding from us.

China has almost unique control. They have a single government with absolute control. They want to do something, they just do it. if you can't see this, you aren't looking very hard.

I think you are over-estimating people's hatred for Trump. He appears to be an idiot that just regurgitates stuff without any real understanding. There are probably lots of people like me that look at this and think he is not the best statesman, but he has some good ideas as well. It doesn't mean that any brain fart he has is a good idea though.

Read European medical journals from France, Italy, Spain. Looks like that drug w Zinc, at early onset on simptoms have helped to contain the disease.
Not huge doses to who is already in a ventilator.

Now its a fact that Ventilators are only delaying death, since 9 of 10 people put in ventilators leave the hospital in a body bag.

So yes, give any drug to who is already in the brink of departing this world wont make difference. Blame the dog err drug.

No reason for drugs anyway...it was all a hoax...protests matter.

Why do I find it very unlikely that you have read 'medical journals from France, Italy, Spain' and are instead just quoting something you were told or sent from someone else?

All the fools out there that think that a simple drug that everyone has is somehow the silver bullet and big-pharma is keeping it from them. This is completely ignoring the hundreds of thousands of doctors out there that would happily use something that they knew worked.

We won't know what are effective treatments until people have looked at the outcomes and seen consistent responses. Without a doubt if someone has a consistent level of positive responses, everyone will hear about it and start using it.

What does "Now its a fact that Ventilators are only delaying death, since 9 of 10 people put in ventilators leave the hospital in a body bag.' mean?

If 1 out of 10 are surviving, then your suggestion that ventilators are just delaying death, is obviously incorrect. Not quite "a fact" then is it?

Wow now you even know what I have or not read from other origins? Can you also guess other languages I am also fluent?
How about you? Can you read Espanol? Italiano?
Have we read clearly in this Biased Media world that the Ventilation is a last resort measure w little (10%) hope the people put into induced coma will walk out of it?

But a medicine sold without script w very low dosage is a huge issue.
Again

No issues anymore. BLM just proved that.

FormulaNova said..

Tequila ! said..

FormulaNova said..

Tequila ! said..

FormulaNova said..

Tequila ! said..

FormulaNova said..

Tequila ! said..
Medicine that exists for over 60 years, no patents, cheap and sold without script. Reumatism patients used it normally, and taken as prophilatic measure prior travel where Malaria is endemic.
Trump mentions it - becomes the worst poison in the world to all the media...OMS flip flops, skewed medical trials- which big lab would promote a drug that is cheap and wouldnt be exclusive to them?

The Political/Commercial edge of this Pandemic is been disgusting.
But

Suddendly taking the streets to protest and break/loot is morally acceptable - resuming work/study etc you are not.

Get a effin grip dudes

Just because a drug is out of patent protection and helps with some things does not mean it automatically is good for anything you decide on that day. No conspiracy here, just normal investigation, and guess what, its the wrong drug for the application.

Sure, pharmecutical companies would not promote an existing drug, but the world is not ruled by pharmecutical companies, despite what you want to imagein.

Yes...Australians are too soft for it. My 75 yrs old mom uses that for 10 years at least without issues. FACT

You guys in your hatred for Trump would jump ship without a floatie.
Me? I would use whatever its in hand. We are in unprecedented times. If its right or wrong the winners version of the story will prevail in the end.
But
BLM ! No need for the drugs anyway we are marching on the street! But give 5k fine for someone caught in the street flouting you Pandemic rules.

Bunch of sooks we all are. China is open for you business BTW while the economy fallout in the western world will take a decade to readjust and recover.

Right, your mum had Covid19 for ten years did she?

Lets treat brain tumours with paracetamol then. Sure, its been around for ages, and even though its a completely different disease, it works on headaches, so I am sure its something the pharmecutical companies are hiding from us.

China has almost unique control. They have a single government with absolute control. They want to do something, they just do it. if you can't see this, you aren't looking very hard.

I think you are over-estimating people's hatred for Trump. He appears to be an idiot that just regurgitates stuff without any real understanding. There are probably lots of people like me that look at this and think he is not the best statesman, but he has some good ideas as well. It doesn't mean that any brain fart he has is a good idea though.

Read European medical journals from France, Italy, Spain. Looks like that drug w Zinc, at early onset on simptoms have helped to contain the disease.
Not huge doses to who is already in a ventilator.

Now its a fact that Ventilators are only delaying death, since 9 of 10 people put in ventilators leave the hospital in a body bag.

So yes, give any drug to who is already in the brink of departing this world wont make difference. Blame the dog err drug.

No reason for drugs anyway...it was all a hoax...protests matter.

Why do I find it very unlikely that you have read 'medical journals from France, Italy, Spain' and are instead just quoting something you were told or sent from someone else?

All the fools out there that think that a simple drug that everyone has is somehow the silver bullet and big-pharma is keeping it from them. This is completely ignoring the hundreds of thousands of doctors out there that would happily use something that they knew worked.

We won't know what are effective treatments until people have looked at the outcomes and seen consistent responses. Without a doubt if someone has a consistent level of positive responses, everyone will hear about it and start using it.

What does "Now its a fact that Ventilators are only delaying death, since 9 of 10 people put in ventilators leave the hospital in a body bag.' mean?

If 1 out of 10 are surviving, then your suggestion that ventilators are just delaying death, is obviously incorrect. Not quite "a fact" then is it?

Wow now you even know what I have or not read from other origins? Can you also guess other languages I am also fluent?
How about you? Can you read Espanol? Italiano?
Have we read clearly in this Biased Media world that the Ventilation is a last resort measure w little (10%) hope the people put into induced coma will walk out of it?

But a medicine sold without script w very low dosage is a huge issue.
Again

No issues anymore. BLM just proved that.

Funnily enough I can read a bit of Spanish. I still call your claim BS though. I very much doubt you would actually read medical journals, as the sort of person that reads those tend to have a bit more logical approach to applying drugs to diseases, not just random 'suck it and see' hail-mary attempts. Its very unlikely that someone reading medical journals would ignore the normal logic of running trials on them and seeing the result before claiming they work.

On the other hand, a conspiracy theorist spoon fed stuff from other people would make such a claim. It's easy to make a claim. Much harder to back it up with evidence.

You said that ventilators were just delaying death, and then say 90% die. What happens to the other 10%? They live, hence your argument doesn't make sense. Not ventilatiing these patients, clearly means immediate death as they cannot breathe for themselves. No one is saying its the way to a cure. It is just a way to keep those people alive until they recover, if they do. But then you know that, as you are fluent in at least three European languages and are scouring medical journals to compare results with treatments.

HERE - your beloved WHO flipped on the Hydroxicloroquine debacle AGAIN - Lets put our lives on their hands to see what they decide or not next week.
time.com/5847664/who-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19/

Ventilation DEATH RATE
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-in-10-covid-19-patients-on-ventilators-died-in-study

YEAH lets shove this corrugated plastic tube in everyone... people need to understand that is an Invasive technique, and from the numbers so far, people at certain age been knocked into induced coma won't come back.

Younger people been Ventilated yes they will survive. Yes they are the 10% that probably are coming back. The oldies don't.

Are you a doctor BTW, Puto ?