Leonora

Dont really understand why anyone would want to live in a city?

Pitty its so over priced to buy a house and its got no waves.
I hear the city of Rockingham is the most liveable(affordable) city of Perth for the average wage earner.

Mark _australia said...

Perth.

- Best climate
- Everything close
- Less than 1hr drive to beach for everyone - most people 20-30mins
- Less than 1hr drive to the bush for mountain biking, motorbike riding, pretty much anything that does not involve the beach is close
- 2 or 3 hr drive max to world class holiday locations

oi - Mark _australia....shhhhhhhhh

We had to move from the darn city as it was way too busy...but seriously ...don't
want anyone else coming over

lotofwind said...

Pitty its so over priced to buy a house and its got no waves.
I hear the city of Rockingham is the most liveable(affordable) city of Perth for the average wage earner.

1hr drive to world class waves and wind.

Oh no, now I remember that is a myth, it sux badly.

Mark _australia said...

Perth.

- Best climate
- Everything close
- Less than 1hr drive to beach for everyone - most people 20-30mins
- Less than 1hr drive to the bush for mountain biking, motorbike riding, pretty much anything that does not involve the beach is close
- 2 or 3 hr drive max to world class holiday locations

Wait, weren't you whinging about the weather, something about there being no rain?
The only thing I hear about Perth is shark attacks and crime... from head butting cops, to ATM bandits... not to mention all the people on here complaining about break-ins, stolen gear, etc...
Sharks are cool, crime isn't... I really wanted to be in Perth this year, but the boss isn't so keen... something about 1000's of miles away from anywhere, blah blah, do you want me EVEN more isolated, blah blah, just desert, blah, zzzzzzzzzzzz.
I thought it may be in for a shot when we saw Red Dog... but nah.

lotofwind said...

Dont really understand why anyone would want to live in a city?

Cos some of us rely on large Tech companies, and they don't have offices in the bush.
Otherwise I'd be in Coffs Harbour... and hmmm... single?

Simondo said...

Manly, Sydney NSW, most livable, at $50/week.
http://www.realestate.com.au/property-other-nsw-manly-407233081

Not bad for a lockup... I bet it's in a completely inaccessible place, and a secure as an old dunny.

Simondo said...

Manly, Sydney NSW, most livable, at $50/week.

http://www.realestate.com.au/property-other-nsw-manly-407233081

$50 sounds plain impossible.
There must be some sex services req'd at that price.

A mate of mine just rented his mum's flat, very small 2 bedrooms, away from water, not that nice. Had heaps of requests at $700 p.w.

I read once as the population goes up by a factor of one the services and ammenities that people like goes up by a factor of 1.7. So life in bigger towns becomes better for people.

Having lived on a farm, in a small town, a medium sized town, a small city and now the biggest city in Australia, I'd say that theory is about right. A good holiday I had was spent at home in Sydney. Did what I wanted to do at minimal cost. Travelled by train to different suburbs and saw different things. Went to art galleries and museums. Ate at different types of restaurants. Also went on bushwalks in the bush with swimming at the beach and when it was windy, went windsurfing.


The bad thing about Sydney is moving around, especially at peak hour on the roads. The traffic is abysmal. Also coming back to Sydney after long weekends is a shocker.

People talk about crime and violence in Sydney. I think unless you go looking for a fight or rip off bikies in a drug deal, its a safe place to live. Certainly less crime than in some country towns.

They say real estate is expensive here. It is. However its not that cheap in many regional areas. I honestly can't see the value in $400K houses when the medium income in the area is about $25K a year like it is in Coffs Harbour.

theDoctor said...
you sound like a real sook flysurfer...

I am.

theDoctor said...
were you not trumpeting how much you got payed not too long ago...?

how much better you had it than everyone of your peers....

Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

theDoctor said...
what you need is a seriously hard punch to the face....

You're not alone in that belief

The last 7 years I've lived 6-12 months in:
Auckland
Brisbane
Toowoomba
Adelaide
Canberra
Melbourne

See, "liveable" is totally subjective. And as much as the study aims to define what "liveable" means everyone will have their own opinion. If you have a good group of friends liveable can be anywhere.

Brisbane has (usually) the weather. Sure you melt over 6 weeks during summer, but the rest of the year is somewhere between good and fantastic. Some would say perfect. The city is, now, really very nice. I even it put it on par aesthetically with Melbourne. However if you visit Brisbane expect it to be closed.

Toowoomba if you didn't know is a country town on the top of a mountain peak, which is why the flood was so bizarre. Of course it's boring, we all know that, but it's also very nice. sun is shining and the weather is sweet during Summer, you get frost during winter which doesn't match the palm trees at all. If you ever visit expect to see nothing due to fog.

Adelaide is boring. There, that's out of the way. Adelaide is also the most charming of the cities I've stayed in. The most loveable. And the wine country, wow. You can reach Hahndorf in 25 minutes from the CBD. I went to the Barossa twice, mainly due to a family tie I found in the region (they planted it!). Some bias there. If you go to Adelaide expect to see a festival and a vibrant, pretty city, or an empty pretty city.

Melbourne has the best CBD by far. I've been here 12 months today (exactly) and I've only left it once to go to a dinner party. So I cna't really comment on Melbourne per se. However the city itself has everything you need, whenever. I've no need for a car or even public transport. Want to buy some socks at midnight? No problem. There's a real buzz to the place to as there is always a lot of nightlife going on, restaurants can be packed at 1am on a Monday morning. Bars are top notch. If you go to Melbourne expect to get pleasantly lost in its maze of alleys all weekend.

Canberra is a soulless wasteland. Apologies to people from Canberra but it's true. Canberra is not horrible, and that's part of its lack of soul. Hell is more interesting than purgatory, which is where Canberra is. Everything closes at ten to five. I tried visiting the countryside but it was light brown and featureless, again a desert would be better. Fireworks are banned now. It's the lack of layers built up and over during hundreds of years by all types of people that's missing. Canberra just appeared in the middle-of-nowhere one day. Canberra was designed to look interesting to helicopters, they forgot about the people. If you ever go to Canberra ...just don't.

Auckland I'm throwing in just to say the surrounding countryside is fantastic and the harbour, ignoring the man made parts like that ugly, ugly bridge, actually far surpasses Sydney harbour. It's turquoise and dotted with islands. If you ever go there bring a raincoat.

Sydney - fingers crossed I start next month.

(I'm not mentioning my home town because shhhhh, it's as horrible and touristy as you imagine)

stuk said...

The Lonely Plantet book people had Newcastle in their top 10 cities in the world in last years edition.

I dont live there anymore, I am 1.5 hours drive north, but I grew up in Newcastle. Top surf, easy accessibility for just about anything you need. World class winerys a short drive into the valley. Affordable housing while having a large and diverse employment base.

Its a great place. I spent 12 mths living there a few yrs back. Wonderful spot - although the surf does get pretty busy - although not compared to some of the bigger cities. Its just big enough to have a little of everything whilst not big enough to annoy you with traffic jams and such. I would give it a big vote.

evlPanda said...

Auckland I'm throwing in just to say the surrounding countryside is fantastic and the harbour, ignoring the man made parts like that ugly, ugly bridge, actually far surpasses Sydney harbour. It's turquoise and dotted with islands. If you ever go there bring a raincoat.

I was also quite impressed with Dunedin, which, of course, is part of the third territory of Australia, bro.

lotofwind said...

Dont really understand why anyone would want to live in a city?

+1

Mark _australia said...
True. Best thing about Perth is the ability to be out of the city rather easily haha

If the best thing about a city is that you can get out of it easily, then why live there in the 1st place? Live out of it and have the "best thing" every day.

lotofwind said...

^^^^^bang on.
Its always funny when the city slickers say they love the city and wouldnt want to be anywhere else.
But every long weekend or holidays they cant wait to get out of the rat race and head rural.

Thats when the city becomes even better. The smart ones stay behind and enjoy the facilities and services without the crowds.

What you say though is fair enough. Live in the city and spend you recreation time in the country. The vice versa is true too. When I lived in the country I enjoyed spending time in the city.

Some people have to live in a city for various reasons.

So one advantage of a 'liveable' city is not having to drive for ever to undertake your hobby/ies
Imagine living in L.A or Tokyo and being into anything requiring open space or bushland.

We are so lucky, but I still say Perth is pick of the bunch. The worst or Australian cities still craps all over anywhere overseas