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VIC, 112 posts
30 Aug 2019 1:51pm
Sailworks are looking at several changes to the popular Flyer foiling sail range for the 2020 season. The existing Flyer range of 3.9m to 8.2m will likely not change geometrically, but they will introduce some lighter weight laminates for all sails in 2020, as well has some batten adjustments to tweak the draft profiles slightly more forward.
Two new sizes 8.5 and 9.5 will be added to the lineup for performance/competition foiling, they will be 6 batten/3 cam layouts like the yellow prototype seen here in testing:

We'll be stocking in the Flyer range for this season and look forward to seeing the new performance range by Christmas.
excav8ter
excav8ter
602 posts
602 posts
30 Aug 2019 11:46pm
WindsurfSystems said..
Sailworks are looking at several changes to the popular Flyer foiling sail range for the 2020 season. The existing Flyer range of 3.9m to 8.2m will likely not change geometrically, but they will introduce some lighter weight laminates for all sails in 2020, as well has some batten adjustments to tweak the draft profiles slightly more forward.
Two new sizes 8.5 and 9.5 will be added to the lineup for performance/competition foiling, they will be 6 batten/3 cam layouts like the yellow prototype seen here in testing:

We'll be stocking in the Flyer range for this season and look forward to seeing the new performance range by Christmas.


A 9.5 Flyer!? Wow! Light wind foiling for bigger guys!
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
3939 posts
1 Sep 2019 12:06am
Allowing Sailworks to join the course race market.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
1 Sep 2019 1:56am
So whats the difference with a sail for foiling?
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
3939 posts
1 Sep 2019 4:02am
Usually lighter weight, more low end, easier pumping, and softer feel.
Tried my ws Loft 5.8 3 cam the day after a 5.5 Hydra. Same 6-17 breezes.
Subsonic
Subsonic
WA
3413 posts
WA, 3413 posts
1 Sep 2019 8:16am
Mark _australia said..
So whats the difference with a sail for foiling?



Lot more leech tension, lighter weight.

Lot of race designs are now going for a square foot so the sail/mast is more upright (and the gap to the board is filled).
azymuth
azymuth
WA
2169 posts
WA, 2169 posts
1 Sep 2019 9:20am
Subsonic said..

Mark _australia said..
So whats the difference with a sail for foiling?




Lot more leech tension, lighter weight.

Lot of race designs are now going for a square foot so the sail/mast is more upright (and the gap to the board is filled).


Also worth pointing out that regular wavesails work perfectly for freeride/wave foiling
Subsonic
Subsonic
WA
3413 posts
WA, 3413 posts
1 Sep 2019 9:32am
azymuth said..

Subsonic said..


Mark _australia said..
So whats the difference with a sail for foiling?





Lot more leech tension, lighter weight.

Lot of race designs are now going for a square foot so the sail/mast is more upright (and the gap to the board is filled).



Also worth pointing out that regular wavesails work perfectly for freeride/wave foiling


That they do
Orange Whip
Orange Whip
QLD
1080 posts
QLD, 1080 posts
1 Sep 2019 6:11pm
WindsurfSystems said..
Sailworks are looking at several changes to the popular Flyer foiling sail range for the 2020 season. The existing Flyer range of 3.9m to 8.2m will likely not change geometrically, but they will introduce some lighter weight laminates for all sails in 2020, as well has some batten adjustments to tweak the draft profiles slightly more forward.
Two new sizes 8.5 and 9.5 will be added to the lineup for performance/competition foiling, they will be 6 batten/3 cam layouts like the yellow prototype seen here in testing:

We'll be stocking in the Flyer range for this season and look forward to seeing the new performance range by Christmas.


Um, FYI, there is a separate forum for foiling. This one is for windsurfing gear reviews.
CJW
CJW
NSW
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NSW, 1731 posts
1 Sep 2019 10:00pm
It is windsurfing gear though? No reason foiling gear reviews can't be in the gear review section?
VIC, 112 posts
2 Sep 2019 8:14am
Orange Whip said..

WindsurfSystems said..
Sailworks are looking at several changes to the popular Flyer foiling sail range for the 2020 season. The existing Flyer range of 3.9m to 8.2m will likely not change geometrically, but they will introduce some lighter weight laminates for all sails in 2020, as well has some batten adjustments to tweak the draft profiles slightly more forward.
Two new sizes 8.5 and 9.5 will be added to the lineup for performance/competition foiling, they will be 6 batten/3 cam layouts like the yellow prototype seen here in testing:

We'll be stocking in the Flyer range for this season and look forward to seeing the new performance range by Christmas.



Um, FYI, there is a separate forum for foiling. This one is for windsurfing gear reviews.


Like the sign says - "Gear Review"
Basher
Basher
590 posts
590 posts
2 Sep 2019 7:03am
Mark _australia said..
So whats the difference with a sail for foiling?


When sailing in light winds you are in dinghy racing territory, and a typical rig that works well has a higher aspect and a tighter leech at the head.
The higher rig helps catch the better airflow away from the friction of the water, plus the tight leech harnesses that flow to get you going earlier.
Once foiling you move pretty fast for a light wind day, and that means the 'created' wind forms a great part of the 'apparent' wind you sheet in your sail to. So, for example, you may stay sheeted in even when going well downwind.
forceten
forceten
1312 posts
1312 posts
2 Sep 2019 7:58am
Thanks to the OP, for promotion of the product you sell.
so in addition to it being on the foil topic, it's here.
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
3939 posts
2 Sep 2019 10:11am
Ezzy 6.6 Infinity works great in 7-15 mphfoiling winds
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
2 Sep 2019 6:35pm
forceten said..
Thanks to the OP, for promotion of the product you sell.
so in addition to it being on the foil topic, it's here.


That's why site sponsors PAY the site owner.

To promote their wares.

Where da problem at?
Stretchy
Stretchy
WA
1053 posts
WA, 1053 posts
2 Sep 2019 8:32pm
Subsonic said..

Mark _australia said..
So whats the difference with a sail for foiling?




Lot more leech tension, lighter weight.

Lot of race designs are now going for a square foot so the sail/mast is more upright (and the gap to the board is filled).


Seems a bit ridiculous "closing the gap" when there's a massive gap under the board?
forceten
forceten
1312 posts
1312 posts
2 Sep 2019 10:21pm
Mark _australia said..

forceten said..
Thanks to the OP, for promotion of the product you sell.
so in addition to it being on the foil topic, it's here.



That's why site sponsors PAY the site owner.

To promote their wares.

Where da problem at?


Gear Review, sails boards share your opinion.
so I get a bargain I can promote without paying .
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
3939 posts
2 Sep 2019 11:57pm
Not closing gap, but COE lower to use the lighter wind closer to the water and NOT deal with as much of the stronger wind up high.
Your boom is down low.
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
3939 posts
3 Sep 2019 1:30am
I suspect light wind foiling sails to become LOWER aspect rather than tall to catch stronger wind up high.
Following the lead of slalom sails.
Paducah
Paducah
2833 posts
2833 posts
4 Sep 2019 6:39am
Stretchy said..

Subsonic said..


Mark _australia said..
So whats the difference with a sail for foiling?





Lot more leech tension, lighter weight.

Lot of race designs are now going for a square foot so the sail/mast is more upright (and the gap to the board is filled).



Seems a bit ridiculous "closing the gap" when there's a massive gap under the board?


Closing the gap end plates the sail. Since the sail doesn't extend below the board, there's no gap there to worry about.

From what I've read and seen online from those who know about these things: One aspect (no pun intended) of higher aspect sails is reduced backhand pressure when powered up which makes it easier to fly level. Shorter booms are easier to jibe. As well, since the board and sail isn't bouncing all over the place you don't need a longer chord to help the airflow to stay attached as you do with a slalom sail.
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