I recently lost some weight (now 69kgs) and need to buy a new board. I recently bought a 2019 94 Super Mini but no getting on with it compared to the 2016 on it replaced so scared to spend ?2K again on the 85L.

I sail in onshore bump and jump UK conditions on black tips 5.3 - 4.0, my favourite boards to date are 2009 Quatro Tempo twin 76L, 2013 koster kode 87L twin,,Quatro Power 95,2016 Quarto super mini 94 and a 2019 90L RRD FSW. I tired a 90 simmer quantum and didn't get on with it.

Grantmac said..
Dyno is closer to the One and both are wave oriented FSW, I believe the Pyro is more of a waveboard like the Cube.

What don't you like about the Super Mini and Quantum? Which version of the Quantum did you ride?

I love the 2016 Super Mini, but struggle with the 2019, spin out, uncomfortable in chop more nose catching I have been taking both to the beach for about 6 months and always end up get angry and going back to 2016. Although the 2019 does gybe/turn tighter.

It was 90 L 2020 Quantum, loads of people swear by it it, but I am one of the light at the beach and struggled to get it going, once it was power up it was great as a quad with grip and turns but no early planning advantage over my 76l quatro twin ?

Hanstholm said..

onshoreroy said..

Grantmac said..
Dyno is closer to the One and both are wave oriented FSW, I believe the Pyro is more of a waveboard like the Cube.

What don't you like about the Super Mini and Quantum? Which version of the Quantum did you ride?

I love the 2016 Super Mini, but struggle with the 2019, spin out, uncomfortable in chop more nose catching I have been taking both to the beach for about 6 months and always end up get angry and going back to 2016. Although the 2019 does gybe/turn tighter.

It was 90 L 2020 Quantum, loads of people swear by it it, but I am one of the light at the beach and struggled to get it going, once it was power up it was great as a quad with grip and turns but no early planning advantage over my 76l quatro twin ?

Have you played a bit with the board trim of the super mini? Mast base position, strap position and center fin position? The issues you describe (spin out, nose catches waves) sound a bit strange for your weight on that volume and the sail range you're using. I mean the board has much lift and quite a huge fin area for your weight so I would first suggest to play a bit with the board trim or to adapt your riding style. Sounds you are gaining much backfoot pressure.

More clearly. - Mast base further back
- Fin to center position , maybe 5mm-1cm further back
- Back strap furthest back or last row free, front straps furthest to the front.

Could be unrelated but I have less spinout with my back strap further back. I tend to sail more front footed with a wide spread perhaps?

Which year of Quantum was it? I've got a 85L V3 (2017 I think) and even though it's a 10L under body weight board I find it gets going really well as either a thruster or quad. But it does require a VERY proactive technique to pop it onto plane then it seems to motor through lulls very nicely.

onshoreroy said..

Hanstholm said..

Hanstholm said..

onshoreroy said..

Grantmac said..
Dyno is closer to the One and both are wave oriented FSW, I believe the Pyro is more of a waveboard like the Cube.

What don't you like about the Super Mini and Quantum? Which version of the Quantum did you ride?

I love the 2016 Super Mini, but struggle with the 2019, spin out, uncomfortable in chop more nose catching I have been taking both to the beach for about 6 months and always end up get angry and going back to 2016. Although the 2019 does gybe/turn tighter.

It was 90 L 2020 Quantum, loads of people swear by it it, but I am one of the light at the beach and struggled to get it going, once it was power up it was great as a quad with grip and turns but no early planning advantage over my 76l quatro twin ?

Have you played a bit with the board trim of the super mini? Mast base position, strap position and center fin position? The issues you describe (spin out, nose catches waves) sound a bit strange for your weight on that volume and the sail range you're using. I mean the board has much lift and quite a huge fin area for your weight so I would first suggest to play a bit with the board trim or to adapt your riding style. Sounds you are gaining much backfoot pressure.

More clearly. - Mast base further back
- Fin to center position , maybe 5mm-1cm further back
- Back strap furthest back or last row free, front straps furthest to the front.

I would love to get in with it better, the back strap is almost directly over the fin will moving it back help?

How does moving the fin foward help ? I always thought back would help , but it work works that would be great.

Any guides to tunning ?

Fin from the box center position further back should help you to prevent spin outs but the turning radii gets bad then. Fin more forward result in tighter turning radius. I think your issue is more related to the mast base position. Start from track center and move the base further back. Check out what happens. Every board is different and I play around with the settings a lot. My current pyramid for example has a very different setup compared to a cube or custom4.

2020/G4 boards are slightly more wavy than my G3, but either should be fine in onshore.

I've loaded mine up with a rather larger center fin and small thrusters for B&J, it went really well. Actually the recommended fin setup is now a thruster, then twin and only quad for proper groundswell.
I run it as a quad when things get very choppy and sideshore.

It sounds like you are used to FSW boards and real waveboards just aren't perfectly suited to what you're doing.

Jens said..

This is very good advice. Moving the mast position can transform a board, particularly it's capacity to get onto the plane, so it's well worth exploring. A useful way to visualise it is to put the board on a raised flat surface like a table and then observed where the mast sits in relation to the nose rocker. Too far forward and you'll be ploughing making it harder to pop onto the plane. Too far back and in my experience the board can get corky and stiff on the wave, but this might not be so important for FSW. Have a play and see where you end up. Cheers Jens

I'd say what shifting the mast foot back does is actually a bit different from how you have described it, and not related to rocker line. .

We are talking wave boards here but shifting the mast foot back does bring the rig connection to the board nearer to the fin or fin area. Like with a slalom board, this should get you more lift from the fin. That's because the point of leverage is brought more over the fin torque, and it's a livlier setting for early planing.

More importantly, this is about sailing stance, and shifting the mast foot back makes the rig more upright and that helps you sail off the front foot more. If instead you use the mast foot set forwards that tends to add mast rake and you get more trapped under the rig which in turn makes you over load the tail via your back foot.
People who put the mast too far forwards tend to sail in old school blasting stance and they load the tail too much which is what causes the spinout mentioned.

But I agree with the advice to experiment. On a wave board I always recommend to use the rear half of the mast track and to set the front footstraps as far forwards as possible. You then set your back strap according to your leg stride.

I'm just a newbie wave sailor but I definitely spin out a whole lot less when I setup for a wider spread. If the back foot is quite for back then I seem to use it more like a balance than a place to exert force.
It was the opposite to what I expected when I tried it out.

In usually in the back half of the mast track and use long lines with the rig very upright.

I'm very short in the leg vs my height. 76cm inseam/181cm height.
I'm generally in the forward most strap position up front or perhaps one back and full back on the rear. Mast in the middle or back half of the track.
With that much spread I basically can't weight the back leg with the rig upright which seems to work very well for me. Its like the added leverage over the fins means I can slide and recover more positively.

But I've only been on wave gear for a few years and I'm limited on which boards I've tried.