Not a simple question here.
Looking at say 2020-2022-2023 Freestyle boards from say Fanatic, Severne, JP, Starboard. Which one is better for freeride/straight line/bump-jump/speed from your experience? I feel that the more specialized freestyle boards become, they start to feel better for some double tricks which i don't do but may also become stiffer and less comfortable in straight line/speed or carving and occasional wave..

It reads like are after a freestyle board for everything except freestyle?

Agree with the above reply and will add that it sounds like you just want the least wave oriented FSW? But thruster would be good..... so big single all the time will serve you well, and on a more wavy day then go to the thruster setup.

That's what I was scared of - not getting answers to the question I asked.. I'm pretty advanced level and know exactly what I need and ask. Wasn't looking for recommendations on FSW but rather personal experience from people who tried recent freestyle boards.

For example, a few companies now made boards 210cm long (Severne, Pratik) some still stick to 220-227 Fanatic, JP. I wonder if anyone who sailed them can compare. I and bet other people will be interested in your experiences. Opinions are awesome but if you never sailed these boards then let people who actually did talk.

Awesome comment. Used to have JP Freestyle 2005 in 109L which got to plane quick, had limited top speed and didn't like choppy conditions but time passed and these are no longer here. Let's stick to the latest we can buy in good shape/new ... I also never had a board with 2 back straps so that option is good but not critical.

Another small example... I love super short boards but a bit scared that since some boards say Psycho 3 approach some sort of board length limit (209cm), they become more on/off boards not liking lulls thus maybe have to be powered up all the time. But that's just my thought. I never sailed one... so wonder if say Psycho 2 could plain in 16knots with 5.7 maybe Psycho 3 of same volume can only plain in 17knots...

leto said..
Awesome comment. Used to have JP Freestyle 2005 in 109L which got to plane quick, had limited top speed and didn't like choppy conditions but time passed and these are no longer here. Let's stick to the latest we can buy in good shape/new ... I also never had a board with 2 back straps so that option is good but not critical.

Another small example... I love super short boards but a bit scared that since some boards say Psycho 3 approach some sort of board length limit (209cm), they become more on/off boards not liking lulls thus maybe have to be powered up all the time. But that's just my thought. I never sailed one... so wonder if say Psycho 2 could plain in 16knots with 5.7 maybe Psycho 3 of same volume can only plain in 17knots...

Think there was German test feedback of say the super short Tabou twister 209cm , that it need a fraction more power to lift out

www-surf--magazin-de.translate.goog/boards/freestyle/test-2022-freestyleboard-tabou-twister/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

So I think yr right looking for the Psycho 2 etc .... Ive got a psycho 1 .... The huge tail depth pumps up really quick - Im a freestyle orientated user - shakes/spocks/grubbies etc .... But I use the psycho a lot just blasting around the harbour here with my 13yo son - and never feel I want anything else faster . The big block tail on the Severne gives a lot to 'push' off ... and more grunt than say a 2014 skate (that generation had pretty thin tails depth wise vs today) ..... I also changed from stock fin to something more rake to give bit extra grip carving upwind into moves ...

think also , if you do sail something that is a bit more 'freestyle ' (less tracking) - then running a slightly bigger gruntier fin SHOULD ? give you that more straight line prioritise planning appeal in lighter airs , even if the board has a really flat rail to rail shape ...... have a look for bottom shapes that have a bit more v.

Have a look up what Mike Burns says re freestyle boards - he's always reviewing their blasting capabilities for other guys on the water at his spot ....

The MB Wildcat can do both very well, when you change the fin. Balz M?llers freestyle Board until just recently. I have the older single fin version and use it as a bump jump / straight line board on cold days. Very good control, gybing in chop and more classic freestyle.

102 .... I use a swept back 19cm fin (enough for me even blasting) .... will try stock fin again as when I first used board with stock fin - straps set-up wasn't right - and it made issues with a few moves - so I changed everything at once - and new stance worked good with the 2nd fin ....

Ive thrown in a grunty 22cm g10 on a 93skate for my son learning straps / staying upwind - and it was night and day vs stock freestyle 19 ash fin (stiffened straightline considerably )

I have a 110lt starboard flare 2012 i use as my high wind board while my son uses as his low wind board. fantastic board. planes early, stable, fast, light, pops easily etc...... is an absolute joy to blast on. i am building an 85lt version of it for my son.

i also use my own designed freestyle board. So i use freestyle boards for everyday sailing. I'm not a freestyler. I just like what they offer for fun everyday sailing.

So with that said, the only issue with the flare is it can get skatey through short sharp chop. i think it's partly because there is minimal v in the front half of the board and it is only a problem in short sharp chop. all other conditions the board is excellent. A couple of millimeters of v fixes the problem . the 85lt version i'm building for my son i added some extra v up front. I think this is why some people don't get along with some freestyle boards. Some freestyle boards probably should have more V up front. I've also sailed a couple of older model tabou and JP freestyle boards and felt they didn't track well. highly tucked rails and no v is not great for tracking. no idea about the newer shapes but to be honest i think most board manufacturers newer shapes don't have those traits as most manufacturers are advertising v in the front part of the board.

For something more contemporary, a friend i sail with regularly has the patrick freestyle. Maybe 2019?. he uses it for blasting, freestyle, surf etc. it's an amazing board. i have not sailed it but it stood out on the water as an exceptional board. So much so that i borrowed it to measure. i'd suspect that's the board you should look at. it effectively is a slalom rocker and has a small amount of v up front so it handles short sharp chop. what a board. the bottom shape is so simple. My son is outgrowing his jp pro kids 85 so im looking at the fanatic or patrick as an option for him.

i haven't tried the fanatic skates but really like the look of the shape of the newer models.

personally i wouldn't want to go less than 220 for freeride tho.

thank you!
i could get a tabou twister for a reeeeally good deal, so i consider going shorter.. the 220+ ones are fanatic and jp and you have to pay premium for those..
does anyone own a 209cm board and can compare to the a bit longer ones?

seabreezer said..

leto said..
Awesome comment. Used to have JP Freestyle 2005 in 109L which got to plane quick, had limited top speed and didn't like choppy conditions but time passed and these are no longer here. Let's stick to the latest we can buy in good shape/new ... I also never had a board with 2 back straps so that option is good but not critical.

Another small example... I love super short boards but a bit scared that since some boards say Psycho 3 approach some sort of board length limit (209cm), they become more on/off boards not liking lulls thus maybe have to be powered up all the time. B ut that's just my thought. I never sailed one... so wonder if say Psycho 2 could plain in 16knots with 5.7 l maybe Psycho 3 of same volume can only plain in 17knots...

Think there was German test feedback of say the super short Tabou twister 209cm , that it need a fraction more power to lift out

www-surf--magazin-de.translate.goog/boards/freestyle/test-2022-freestyleboard-tabou-twister/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

So I think yr right looking for the Psycho 2 etc .... Ive got a psycho 1 .... The huge tail depth pumps up really quick - Im a freestyle orientated user - shakes/spocks/grubbies etc .... But I use the psycho a lot just blasting around the harbour here with my 13yo son - and never feel I want anything else faster . The big block tail on the Severne gives a lot to 'push' off ... and more grunt than say a 2014 skate (that generation had pretty thin tails depth wise vs today) ..... I also changed from stock fin to something more rake to give bit extra grip carving upwind into moves ...

think also , if you do sail something that is a bit more 'freestyle ' (less tracking) - then running a slightly bigger gruntier fin SHOULD ? give you that more straight line prioritise planning appeal in lighter airs , even if the board has a really flat rail to rail shape ...... have a look for bottom shapes that have a bit more v.

Have a look up what Mike Burns says re freestyle boards - he's always reviewing their blasting capabilities for other guys on the water at his spot ....

Seabreezer,

with the super short board lengths around now do think the more upright stance (mast track moved back) has made them easier to sail.

leto said..
Not a simple question here.
Looking at say 2020-2022-2023 Freestyle boards from say Fanatic, Severne, JP, Starboard. Which one is better for freeride/straight line/bump-jump/speed from your experience? I feel that the more specialized freestyle boards become, they start to feel better for some double tricks which i don't do but may also become stiffer and less comfortable in straight line/speed or carving and occasional wave..

Change fin, and sail, and you would be surprised by how much a FSW changes with it. My RRD FSW 90 with a Tectonics Falcon 30 and a Pont-7 AC 6.0 can almost keep up with a slalom board. And still jibes on a dime. Put in an Ultra-fin X-wave 24 and a 4.7 Spy and it is a playful board in the rolls.

Surprised this came back
Fellas we all tried those responses but seems he wants an under 2y/o, 101% dedicated freestyle board for all the full on freestyle tricks.... and out of those pure freestyle boards "which is best for freeride and B&J?"
A very difficult question.