Mandatory Moreton Bay Safety Gear

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mikey100
mikey100
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6 Mar 2024 4:12pm
From what I can best interpret, for those of us who windsurf or foil out into the middle of Moreton Bay, a level 50 or above PFD is mandatory if more than half a NM (900m) from land. Nothing else. Is this right?
Shifu
Shifu
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7 Mar 2024 7:47pm
Need more info. What are you looking at?
Sandee
Sandee
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7 Mar 2024 10:36pm
Yes, that's how the MSQ website reads to me. just the pfd in 'partially smooth waters'.
Although I reckon a personal beacon is also a great investment /insurance for a fairly low cost, and could save everyone concerned a huge amount of search time if something went wrong out there. (Even though it's not mandatory.)
Shifu
Shifu
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QLD, 1997 posts
8 Mar 2024 9:25am
I always wear a PFD
Richiefish
Richiefish
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8 Mar 2024 9:39am
Yes a 50. Not a 50 S which is what everyone wears. A 50 is yellow, red or orange. A 50S can be any colour, (usually black.) A 50 S is legal in smooth water. Southern Morton Bay, lakes and rivers. This is for boats. I'm not sure if there is a different rule for buoyant craft like windsurfers, surf ski's etc.
mikey100
mikey100
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10 Mar 2024 9:30am
Ok. Windsurfing or winging in the middle of Moreton Bay (partially smooth waters as on the previous map), an L50 PFD is required by law. A PLB (similar to EPIRB) would be a good addition, just to be on the safer side.
Bigsnut
Bigsnut
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10 Mar 2024 4:17pm
Windsurfing,dinging,kite is not a vessel there is no mandatory rules we are seen as pedestrians like a surfer.
mikey100
mikey100
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12 Mar 2024 4:11pm
Bigsnut said..
Windsurfing,dinging,kite is not a vessel there is no mandatory rules we are seen as pedestrians like a surfer.

Ok. I thought we were seen as a small sailing craft or kayak.

May need to make a phone call to the authorities to get a definitive answer.
AusMoz
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13 Mar 2024 6:37am
What your reading is MSQ (guidelines) regulations for vessels. Windsurfing etc is not defined as a vessel under the regulations. How ever - you choose to venture out without correct safety gear deliberately (2 NM or more) and it goes pear shaped - then you will most likely have to answer to other Governing organisations - AMSA, State Police etc. Lot of people read the laws and determine their way of interpreting them then they get bastardised easily by word of mouth around sailing groups.

We've all done it - pushed our limits - think about competitions the ran in the 80's and 90's - how would they stack up now given the measures in place for safety.
snorkel962
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15 Mar 2024 11:17am
AusMoz said..
What your reading is MSQ (guidelines) regulations for vessels. Windsurfing etc is not defined as a vessel under the regulations. How ever - you choose to venture out without correct safety gear deliberately (2 NM or more) and it goes pear shaped - then you will most likely have to answer to other Governing organisations - AMSA, State Police etc. Lot of people read the laws and determine their way of interpreting them then they get bastardised easily by word of mouth around sailing groups.

We've all done it - pushed our limits - think about competitions the ran in the 80's and 90's - how would they stack up now given the measures in place for safety.


Maybe think less of regulations and more of how you plan to be reasonably safe?! In the 80s being sober enough to carry the board down to the beach was an adequate standard for a midnight sail.. nowadays it's a buoyancy jacket, spare rope and an e-flare ( yep I'm aware of their controversies), and a PLB if getting properly offshore. It's not that bulky and may save your life. Of course sailing with a buddy is a huge safety feature but not one available to us all!
ptsf1111
ptsf1111
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15 Mar 2024 1:19pm
Bigsnut said..
Windsurfing,dinging,kite is not a vessel there is no mandatory rules we are seen as pedestrians like a surfer.


Do you have a source to confirm that? Under most jurisdictions, windsurfers would be considered small vessels and need to adhere to the same rules as a small sailing boat for instance. Some states make then exceptions for windsurfers and the like, for instance different requirements when staying close to shore, or no need to carry a radio but in general I doubt that we are not considered a vessel like you describe.
mikey100
mikey100
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15 Mar 2024 4:03pm
Ok. Have just phoned the Department of Harbour and Marine-Brisbane (07 3632 7500) and spoke directly to a Safety Officer. He said all that was required for smooth or particularly smooth waters by regulation was a jet ski PFD (L50) but not a 50S. Nothing else. A definite answer.
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