Who said you need a speedboard to do 40 knots?

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TheTank
TheTank
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9 Sep 2011 7:39am
Big Ed proved us wrong with hitting a 76,79 km/h 2 sec topspeed with an 2011 iSonic 117w (80 cm!) and a 10 sec run of 73,34 km/h!

www.gps-speedsurfing.com/default.aspx?mnu=user&val=86826&uid=1433
AUS-057
AUS-057
QLD
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9 Sep 2011 9:41am
At 128kgs that is a speed board for him.
choco
choco
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9 Sep 2011 9:17am
Katapult said...

At 128kgs that is a speed board for him.


not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
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9 Sep 2011 8:27am
choco said...

Katapult said...

At 128kgs that is a speed board for him.


not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall


Does the board know how tall he is?

mathew
mathew
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9 Sep 2011 2:00pm
FormulaNova said...

choco said...

Katapult said...

At 128kgs that is a speed board for him.


not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall


Does the board know how tall he is?




I'll say yes...

The board+rig knows your leverage moment - which is obviously related to your height (and weight).

And you cannot "just strap on weight" - I weigh 72kg, there is simply no way I could sail with an extra 53kg of lead.


It has previously been done on a xover/wave board:

www.gps-speedsurfing.com/default.aspx?mnu=user&val=11981&uid=831
slowboat
slowboat
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560 posts
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9 Sep 2011 3:42pm
Size matters for going fast. Height and weight is an advantage. As Matt said, you can only strap so much weight on... and the big guys can (and do) strap even more on... and have an even bigger advantage. As I've said before, if you are getting beaten by a shorter, lighter dude in speed, then you aren't making the most of the conditions.

Bjoern and AA were always adding weight on the speed tour. I dont think they do this just for fun.

Its good to see some huge guys going fast on big boards. I dont see regular size guys pushing boards this big to those speeds though. I mean even if this board is big for normal people, its still a total sinker for this guy.
sailquik
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9 Sep 2011 6:20pm
choco said...
not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall


He He! Lots of chicks weigh in at around 53 KG. I'd be happy to try windsurfing with one of them sitting on my shoulders strictly in the interests of science of course.
I think it would be very interesting even if I/we were dead slow!
choco
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9 Sep 2011 6:08pm
FormulaNova said...

choco said...

Katapult said...

At 128kgs that is a speed board for him.


not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall


Does the board know how tall he is?




depends on the broad[}:)] anyone can throw on weight numbnuts but if you're a chode then you would'nt have the leverage, what category do you fall in?
firiebob
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9 Sep 2011 7:02pm
choco said...

FormulaNova said...

choco said...

Katapult said...

At 128kgs that is a speed board for him.


not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall


Does the board know how tall he is?




depends on the broad[}:)]


Oh, so Chock you're saying the same as Sailquik, we need to strap a chick around our neck to go fast, I like it

REDhat
REDhat
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9 Sep 2011 7:20pm
She would have to lean forward to maximise the leverage.
stringer
stringer
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9 Sep 2011 8:04pm
But if she is facing the right way you won't be able to see where your going \|/
FormulaNova
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9 Sep 2011 8:08pm
choco said...

FormulaNova said...

choco said...

Katapult said...

At 128kgs that is a speed board for him.


not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall


Does the board know how tall he is?




depends on the broad[}:)] anyone can throw on weight numbnuts but if you're a chode then you would'nt have the leverage, what category do you fall in?


What's a chode?

I don't understand your expectation of why someone of the same weight, whether 6'8" or 4'8" tall would matter.

I would have thought its more the case that a 6'8" guy at 128kgs is going to be strong and able to use that weight, than if a lightweight 6'8" guy at only 100kgs adds on 28kgs of lead weight. Other than the fact that the 128kg guy is used to that weight and it is relatively evenly distributed weight.

Feel free to show me the physics that shows that a board knows the height of the sailor. No, seriously, I am intrigued.



FormulaNova
FormulaNova
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15100 posts
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9 Sep 2011 8:12pm
mathew said...

FormulaNova said...

choco said...

Katapult said...

At 128kgs that is a speed board for him.


not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall


Does the board know how tall he is?




I'll say yes...

The board+rig knows your leverage moment - which is obviously related to your height (and weight).

And you cannot "just strap on weight" - I weigh 72kg, there is simply no way I could sail with an extra 53kg of lead.


It has previously been done on a xover/wave board:

www.gps-speedsurfing.com/default.aspx?mnu=user&val=11981&uid=831


I agree with the bit about not being able to just add on 53kgs, as you just wouldn't be able to handle that weight easily if you are used to not having it.

How does the 'leverage moment' work on a shorter guy of 128kg (!) and a taller 128kgs guy, and does this vary based on where the boom is and harness line length?

Ian K
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9 Sep 2011 10:08pm


The leverage moment only depends on how far outboard the centre of gravity of the rider is. The harness and boom positions are internal forces which, unless they restrict how far outboard you can get your c of g only really affect comfort and control.

The leverage moment is of course balanced by the moment of the sail. You can hold onto a more powerful sail if the lift is centred lower down.

The width of the board is important because if you can sail with the board railed to leeward, the fulcrum shifts off axis. Thus you have more moment available to hold down sails. You need to select the correct size fin to be able to let the board rail to leeward comfortably. If the fin is too short you'll need very strong ankles to cope with the internal forces required to rail the board leeward.

Formula boards railed to leeward can get the sailors weight a long way from the fulcrum and can take large sails.

The effect is most pronounced and easier to see in a catamaran which is sailed on the leeward hull giving a sailor a lot of leverage to hold big sails.

Here's an idea I had a while ago on an asymmetric speed board which combines the width to carry a larger sail with the narrowness to not get bounced around too much in chop. Why stop at asymmetric fins?

CrazyEd
CrazyEd
1 posts
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10 Sep 2011 3:22pm
do you have read this?
http://www.star-board.com/2012/news_events/read.php?post_name=77kmh-on-an-isonic-117-wide


It's not only the weight, it has to be your style to surf with large sails en boards, I surf allready more than 20 years, when I was 18 years old (80 KG weight) I allready surfed more then 1m2 larger then everybody else :)

now a days the sails and boards are more suited for overpowered speedsurfing.
Bonominator
Bonominator
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10 Sep 2011 5:43pm
75 kg. 55cm slalom. 42 knot 10 sec. Fun!
C3
C3
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12 Sep 2011 12:11pm
sailquik said...

choco said...
not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall


He He! Lots of chicks weigh in at around 53 KG. I'd be happy to try windsurfing with one of them sitting on my shoulders strictly in the interests of science of course.
I think it would be very interesting even if I/we were dead slow!



yeah... i'd be into that.

Boogie




Te Hau
Te Hau
497 posts
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12 Sep 2011 4:27pm
So that's why all those guys have switched over to kiting
russh
russh
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12 Sep 2011 6:06pm
Te Hau said...

So that's why all those guys have switched over to kiting


Why so they can hang naked of a rich dude
sailquik
sailquik
VIC
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14 Sep 2011 8:13pm
Boogie. That looks like just about exactly 53 Kilos to my trained eye.
bigbear
bigbear
QLD
152 posts
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16 Sep 2011 9:05pm
Is that a virgin flight?
Victor B
Victor B
WA
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17 Sep 2011 9:56pm
not anymore i bet
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