PB's and GTC scores

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Rossx
Rossx
QLD
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QLD, 55 posts
26 Jun 2010 12:42pm
Having picked up a few PB's recently it got me thinking whether there could be a place in the scoring system of the GTC which could reflect some of the effort in achieving such.

Here's the idea.
When a PB is achieved, a multiplier is applied to the team score for that particular category for that particular day.

Suggested ranking for applied multiplier as follows:

For speed categories, for every 1kt or part thereof above the previous PB, a multiplier of 0.01 is applied. i.e 3.2kt increase in PB = 0.04 multiplier.
For distance this could be for every 10km over PB = 0.01 multiplier. Maximum multiplier cannot exceed 0.1 for any category. This would result in an increase in the score in line with the increase in the PB. Let's face it anyone who can better their PB by 10kts has had a real effort and from then on it will not be that easy to gain higher multiplier values. Plus that effort can be reflected in the score.

First timers PB's are not considered as this will be the basis for any PB improvements.

Now if the team qualifies for a team score, then the multiplier is applied to the average to calculate an final score, thus providing the PB'er assisting in the team score for the categories where a PB is achieved. If two PB's are achieved in the same category, only the highest multiplier is used. The PB'ers score does not have to necessarily be one of the two averaged scores used.

Example: In the 2 sec cat a team has 4 sailors posting times. The two highest speeds are calculate to say 30kts. Another sailor gets a PB of 24kt which is 1.5kt better than his previous. The multiplier for this would be 0.02.
Multiply the score of 30 by 1.02 and a new score of 30.6 kt is the team score for that category on the day.

In categories where no PB is achieved the multiplier would be zero.

Hope I've explained this well enough. Just think it might add another dimension to the GTC, one in which lesser mortals strive to better their sailing skills and can have some input into team performance.

Put this to Hardie this morning and suggested they would prefer not to tinker with the scoring system at the moment as it works well, which I agree. Maybe a concept like this could be considered somewhere down the track.
pedro e
pedro e
VIC
257 posts
VIC, 257 posts
26 Jun 2010 1:21pm
Having also picked up a few PBs lately my feeling is that a new PB is in itself enough of a reward. When I get one I am really chuffed, and the supportive comments on GTC from other competitors is an added reward.

I concur with Hardie that the system is working remarkably well and that tinkering could dilute what is a really great system.

Maybe a different way to recognise PBs would be to figure out a way to calculate a "most improved" winner for each year, or even quarter? I imagine the computer nerds amongst us could figure out a way to do that with the existing data. It could even allow for most improved state winners also.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
26 Jun 2010 1:49pm
I'm more than happy to modify the scoring system based on feedback, this year we added discards due to overwhelming demand.

I have two criteria though:
1) Changes can only be made at the start of a year
2) The system must be simple enough for a human to understand it.

I'm a bit hesitant to add a modifier to the scoring system, I get a few emails asking how the system works as it is, and a modifier would add a bit more 'voodoo' to the system and make it harder for humans to check up on the computer.

We have had situations where the scoring system wasn't working properly, and it was picked up by some eagle-eyed sailors... I always want people to be able to do the scoring if necessary to double check that all the numbers add up.


If you can figure out a simple way to make PBs more important, then I'm all for it
hardie
hardie
WA
4133 posts
WA, 4133 posts
26 Jun 2010 2:31pm
Its a clever idea and maybe something that people acn do unofficially for theirm own interests. Overall, I think if it aint broke...............

I reckon at some stage we can get sponsorsip or prizes for the greatest percentage increase on a PB for a year or something like that, which gives everyone a chance, but you would have to have completed a whole year before you qwualified!!!!!!
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
26 Jun 2010 7:42pm
PBs are important in their own sake. Usually when you get a PB there is a lot of positive feedback from windsurfing friends and others on the GTC site. Its also great from a personal point of view.

However I've noticed since we've had an influx of new teams, especially those from Holland, we see PBs almost every day so they are not commented on as much as before.

firiebob
firiebob
WA
3182 posts
WA, 3182 posts
27 Jun 2010 9:01am
Mobydisc said...


However I've noticed since we've had an influx of new teams, especially those from Holland, we see PBs almost every day so they are not commented on as much as before.


+1

I think the GTC is the best thing since sliced bread and now that we have so many new international teams is fantastic, GTC is great friendly place bringing us all together. But I do notice all the PB's becoming a blur and if you're not quick enough, the sessions slide off the home page and someone's 29sec PB will be missed even though their best before might have been say 27. Not everyone has the experience, equipment, fitness or locations to stand out in the crowd but still deserve a little encouragement.

Cheers Uncle Bob

jamesf
jamesf
NSW
1003 posts
NSW, 1003 posts
27 Jun 2010 11:28am
Maybe, if its not too much work, the GPSTC website could be adjusted to display the last 40 sessions, instead of the current 25? That would help with the "sliding off the end of the page" issue.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
27 Jun 2010 10:36am
Cripes it was 10 at the start of the year!

How about a filter so that when you're viewing Australia's rankings, you only see Australia's posts?
firiebob
firiebob
WA
3182 posts
WA, 3182 posts
27 Jun 2010 10:47am
Na as then it'd be just us Nebs, how about a separate home page (rankings & news etc) and a post page. I know we have a page for sessions but the posts act like a forum which makes them interesting.

Cheers Old Bastard
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
27 Jun 2010 10:49am
firiebob said...

Na as then it'd be just us Nebs, how about a separate home page (rankings & news etc) and a post page. I know we have a page for sessions but the posts act like a forum which makes them interesting.

Cheers Old Bastard


Good morning ya ol bastard
ka72
ka72
QLD
585 posts
QLD, 585 posts
27 Jun 2010 2:47pm
nebbian said...

Cripes it was 10 at the start of the year!

How about a filter so that when you're viewing Australia's rankings, you only see Australia's posts?


Yes I was going to suggest that as now there are so many teams I usually only filter by aus and would rather only see aus latest sessions

firiebob
firiebob
WA
3182 posts
WA, 3182 posts
27 Jun 2010 2:05pm
ka72 said...

nebbian said...

Cripes it was 10 at the start of the year!

How about a filter so that when you're viewing Australia's rankings, you only see Australia's posts?


Yes I was going to suggest that as now there are so many teams I usually only filter by aus and would rather only see aus latest sessions




Yeh I'm leaning that way now, a filter for each country plus one for all

icesurf
icesurf
QLD
113 posts
QLD, 113 posts
27 Jun 2010 5:18pm
nebbian said...

Cripes it was 10 at the start of the year!

How about a filter so that when you're viewing Australia's rankings, you only see Australia's posts?


Is that filter for Australia or Australasia rankings!

Maybe the rogue far Eastern state could be included in the ranking Filter!
Goo Screw
Goo Screw
VIC
269 posts
VIC, 269 posts
27 Jun 2010 6:37pm
Why don't you just have a PB page
...mind you I frequently have nearly PBs or PBs in different places that are right up there with official PBs.
S018
S018
SA
338 posts
SA, 338 posts
27 Jun 2010 7:53pm
icesurf said...

nebbian said...

Cripes it was 10 at the start of the year!

How about a filter so that when you're viewing Australia's rankings, you only see Australia's posts?


Is that filter for Australia or Australasia rankings!

Maybe the rogue far Eastern state could be included in the ranking Filter!



yes if you do go with a Filter, I'd like to see the Rogue Far Eastern State (NZ) included in the Australian page, at least until they have more teams sailing !

firiebob
firiebob
WA
3182 posts
WA, 3182 posts
28 Jun 2010 7:30am
S018 said...

icesurf said...

nebbian said...

Cripes it was 10 at the start of the year!

How about a filter so that when you're viewing Australia's rankings, you only see Australia's posts?


Is that filter for Australia or Australasia rankings!

Maybe the rogue far Eastern state could be included in the ranking Filter!



yes if you do go with a Filter, I'd like to see the Rogue Far Eastern State (NZ) included in the Australian page, at least until they have more teams sailing !




+1

jimbob SA
jimbob SA
SA
1000 posts
SA, 1000 posts
28 Jun 2010 3:46pm
+2
I would be keen to only see the aussie session posts only as I always have the ratings filter on Aussie only now. not really keen on what some pro team is doing over there and the local posts I want to see are off the page ovenight.
yes include our Kiwi bros.
hardpole
hardpole
WA
609 posts
WA, 609 posts
29 Jun 2010 11:38pm
I agree that if the filter for scores is selected it should filter posts as well.

A "roll of honor" page for PBs would be a nice idea as well so everyone could have their 60 seconds of fame extended for a bit longer !

Right now ANY time on the water would feel like a PB.
choco
choco
SA
4181 posts
SA, 4181 posts
30 Jun 2010 10:46am
there should be another category in which you have to try and write a word on the water while sailing,for each letter you do you get some points....make for some interesting tracks
hardpole
hardpole
WA
609 posts
WA, 609 posts
30 Jun 2010 1:03pm
choco said...

there should be another category in which you have to try and write a word on the water while sailing,for each letter you do you get some points....make for some interesting tracks


I started writing the seabreeze url a while ago but noone seemed to want to take me up on on doing the rest of it. I just did the www part.


choco
choco
SA
4181 posts
SA, 4181 posts
30 Jun 2010 4:06pm
hardpole said...

choco said...

there should be another category in which you have to try and write a word on the water while sailing,for each letter you do you get some points....make for some interesting tracks


I started writing the seabreeze url a while ago but noone seemed to want to take me up on on doing the rest of it. I just did the www part.





looks like alot of "f' s done well
hooray
hooray
QLD
335 posts
QLD, 335 posts
1 Jul 2010 5:04pm
Here is a big "F". Freestyle board with whippy mast that Jenny sent, thanks .
Things you do while waiting for wind.

jimbob SA
jimbob SA
SA
1000 posts
SA, 1000 posts
29 Jul 2010 3:23pm
Hey Hardie and Nebs are you still looking at filtering the posts with the scores when selecting Aussie only on the ladder.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
30 Jul 2010 7:29am
jimbob SA said...

Hey Hardie and Nebs are you still looking at filtering the posts with the scores when selecting Aussie only on the ladder.



Yes... when I get a spare 10 seconds to write it
sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
30 Jul 2010 10:50am
nebbian said...

jimbob SA said...

Hey Hardie and Nebs are you still looking at filtering the posts with the scores when selecting Aussie only on the ladder.



Yes... when I get a spare 10 seconds to write it


Nebs,
More like 2 seconds - Don't you just press a button?
Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
4019 posts
WA, 4019 posts
30 Jul 2010 10:09am
I like the PB modifier idea.
As someone who is unlikely to ever contribute to the team score in absolute numbers, it would be nice to make a contribution in the form of a PB.
Sure the thrill of a PB is great, and it is nice to get personal feedback, but it would be extra good to be able to make a contribution to the team.

Would also be an extra incentive for teams to recruit new members who are not necessarily ace sailors.

and yes, I'd like to have an Aus only filter for sessions.
lao shi
lao shi
WA
1346 posts
WA, 1346 posts
30 Jul 2010 12:14pm
What are you doing with your spare time, Nebbs? It can't be sailing.
Anybody would think you were busy doing DIY!
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