x3 vs x9 boom 225- 275

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bh2905
bh2905
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VIC, 74 posts
18 Aug 2010 6:30pm
hi i am looking for a new boom, currently i have a gun 200-250 boom to suit a sail with a boom length of 248 and have noticed in some pictures home deformed the boom is.

i am tosing up between the x3 and x9 in the 225-275 length, i race but it is only at club level at this stage. i was wondering weather anyone can give me an idea of weather it worth spending the extra money for the x9. i will already have a stiffness gain in stepping up the size so it is not maxed out on lenght. is the x9 going to be MUCH stiffer or just abit stiffer

cheers any thought would help

Stuey
Stuey
VIC
48 posts
VIC, 48 posts
18 Aug 2010 6:51pm
An X9 is much stiffer, the difference is considerate even on smaller wave sails. The X9 just gives the rig that really crisp feel eliminating (as best possible) all the slop and flex of the X3 which when you think about it in a gust the boom flexes increasing the depth of the sail, not really what you want.

As I like to say once you go black you don't go back.
DrJ
DrJ
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DrJ DrJ
ACT, 481 posts
18 Aug 2010 7:06pm
you are comparing talking chalk and cheese, and a difference of several hundred dollars, a sensible question would be to compare the X3 with the X6 OR the X6 with the X9.

I would go X6 in both instances, primarily because I cant afford an X9 ...well actually thats wrong, I can afford one, but what I cant do, is afford to replace an X9 when I break it or loose it, same goes for masts.

hope this helps a little
Bruised
Bruised
QLD
33 posts
QLD, 33 posts
18 Aug 2010 7:40pm
Just bought an X9 Race.

I gave it the barge-arse deflection test against the North Alloy I have as well.
The X9 had a bit over an inch deflection were the alloy had nearly four.

Big big difference in handling, big big difference in price.

I'm hooked
petermac33
petermac33
WA
6415 posts
WA, 6415 posts
18 Aug 2010 5:58pm
i borrowed a boom with plastic front end once[hydrodynamix],after breaking my carbon boom.the deflection in the front end was amazing. took me 5 minutes to figure out why i was going so slow then i packed up,a difference of 3 knots for topspeed.


carbon front end compared with aluminium front end, i can't tell the difference.

the x6 boom is quite heavy,not good for waterstarting!

not tried the x9 but stiffness relative to weight sure to be better.

i like a very narrow boom, so can be close to the sail.

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
18 Aug 2010 7:51pm
Sorry I know you asked for a comparison between the two but I would not go a NP boom for a start.
There has been repeated threads on here with people complaining about the front end failures (and other breakages) on NP booms. Some of those people are diehard NP fans so it is hardly brand bashing or bias.
Some are freeriders getting 1-2 seasons out of a boom - I get 5 seasons of wave trashings out of a Chinook (at the same price!!!)

There has also been repeated threads where people ask what is the strongest ally boom and Chinook, Hydrodynamix and Tecnolimitz keep coming up (in no particular order).
As to carbon I don't know unfortunately.

I would however encourage you to look at other brands.

For the record and before I get criticised for anti-NP bias yet agin, I use NP wavesails and hate the lack of durability compared to other brands but I use them as the feel is right for me. But you'd never catch me on a NP boom after the record of breakages.
Sailhack
Sailhack
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5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
18 Aug 2010 10:25pm
DrJ said...

you are comparing talking chalk and cheese, and a difference of several hundred dollars, a sensible question would be to compare the X3 with the X6 OR the X6 with the X9.

I would go X6 in both instances, primarily because I cant afford an X9 ...well actually thats wrong, I can afford one, but what I cant do, is afford to replace an X9 when I break it or loose it, same goes for masts.

hope this helps a little


^^^ I agree with DrJ. You'll notice a huge difference between the X3 & X6, and I'd imagine a similar difference going from a X6 to a X9?!?

In saying that, I don't disagree with Mark's comments either...
zippyblue
zippyblue
NSW
111 posts
NSW, 111 posts
18 Aug 2010 10:51pm
I had a couple of theories why my x6 boom may have snapped at the clew.

Thinking back, i may have unclipped the clew side, when it was still under tension. Therefore putting a lot of stress on one side, until that side was also unclipped. Had to do this few times when unable to losen the outhaul...which had become jammed.

Another possibility is not clipping it in properly in the first place ...perhaps it slipped suddently creating stress on one side.

Btw, it is being replaced under warranty - no problem there with NP and thanks to WSnS for lending me a couple of replacements.
Brett Morris
Brett Morris
NSW
1204 posts
NSW, 1204 posts
19 Aug 2010 11:54am
Bigger sails need stiff strong booms to get the full range. There is nothing worse than a boom that has flex in the middle of a gust, making the sail more powerful just when you need it to be the opposite.

It is a tough bullet to bite because of the price difference, but the X9 boom (225-275) is well worth the investment as the 100% carbon boom will last for many many years, where you will have to replace a alloy boom regularly.

Cheers
knigit
knigit
WA
319 posts
WA, 319 posts
19 Aug 2010 10:35am
I have an X3 graveyard from when I was too poor to afford anything else. One of them lasted a wipeout free 2 hrs before being added to the pile. Unless you're anorexic don't bother with them.
NSW, 1613 posts
19 Aug 2010 1:06pm
Yeah I do sell them but the new gen X3's come with a 2 year warranty and are much stronger and stiffer.
Haggar
Haggar
QLD
1670 posts
QLD, 1670 posts
19 Aug 2010 1:39pm
I bought a new X9 earlier this year a 160 to 210 which I think was last years model. Theres no argument that it is very stiff, however I have had two problems so far
- I broke one of the adjustment clips on the rear of the boom. I did have the boom extended within 10 cm of max adjustment which probably was'nt best practice, and the rig was probably overpowered and I was crashing through chop upwind
- the boom clamp needed replacing as it developed some small cracks, the replacement part for this looks like its is stronger and a different grade of plastic.

Whilst I have to question the quality of this boom for all the $$$$'s I guess the replacement service for any problems was very good. I hear this years models are improved and better, but more $$$$

I've now bought a KA carbon boom for my bigger sails so I wont need to extend any of my booms near the full extension again.

From my reserarch I woukd seriously consider the Maui carbon, and in alloy the Aerons are apparently very good for only a small amount of $$$

Hope this feedback helps
KenHo
KenHo
NSW
1353 posts
NSW, 1353 posts
19 Aug 2010 1:46pm
I think I have one of these. It has been fine, but then I am not hard on gear and have never broken any kind of boom. Even my masts last 10 years or more,
Regardless of manufacturer, I don't think it's too fair to bag on gear breaking in big waves with literal tons of forces involved.
My X3 has the reverse curve, making it extend in a gust rather than shorten.
I used a bunch of X6's in Maui this year, and TBH did not notice a difference to the X3 on wave sails.
Large slalom sails are probably a different story.





WINDSURFnSNOW said...

Yeah I do sell them but the new gen X3's come with a 2 year warranty and are much stronger and stiffer.



tonyd
tonyd
QLD
400 posts
QLD, 400 posts
19 Aug 2010 1:47pm
2010 x9s are the ducks nuts Happy with mine.
mr bagus
mr bagus
WA
85 posts
WA, 85 posts
21 Aug 2010 10:26am
Don't think Chinooks don't break......for every story about any brand breaking often, there's plenty about every other brand.....

Go for the brand boom that has support so that IF anything goes wrong, it can be addressed......don't listen to one person's one eyed views, especially if they are not in the same circumstances as you are - it is not relavent to you.

Do research, view many opinions from many people (especially those with similar level etc to you), try some different booms and make your own decision - after all, it's you who will be using it!

Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
21 Aug 2010 3:24pm
knigit said...

I have an X3 graveyard from when I was too poor to afford anything else. One of them lasted a wipeout free 2 hrs before being added to the pile. Unless you're anorexic don't bother with them.


if you put your x3 graveyard with my x3 graveyard, we can call it the x3 holocaust
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