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hot rod
hot rod
NSW
11 posts
NSW, 11 posts
19 Feb 2007 12:22am
Hi all
I have been sailing for a couple of seasons and still have problems with my gybes and water starts i have a 135 l board and a 7 mt sail I would love some help I love the rush of going fast but get frustrated when I fall every turn and fight to get going again
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
18 Feb 2007 10:57pm
Hot rod here is the water start site. The float bit you dont have to get, but the vid gives you a good start. Make sure you wear a vest, helps heaps
www.easyuphaul.com/
This next one is great, tabs on left for gybes.
www.continentseven.com/lastmoves.php
And just in case you dont have this one,its also good data site.
www.guycribb.com/page0076v01.htm

Mineral
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12872 posts
WA, 12872 posts
18 Feb 2007 11:06pm
Ever thought of getting smaller gear?
Or do you need it that big where you are?

If you get strong enough winds, smaller boards are much easier to turn, smaller sails much easier to waterstart.

So where are gybes going wrong? Is it a board or sail problem?

Same for waterstarts, what's going wrong there? Having trouble flying the sail? Or getting on the board?
md74
md74
QLD
1064 posts
QLD, 1064 posts
19 Feb 2007 12:32am
i think half your problem may be in what you said " I fight to get going again"

just relax and let it happen, it takes a while to stop fighting your gear, once you do it will click easier for you!
Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
19 Feb 2007 10:24am
hey! that's my avatar!
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
19 Feb 2007 4:37pm
quote:
Originally posted by hot rod

Hi all
I have been sailing for a couple of seasons and still have problems with my gybes and water starts i have a 135 l board and a 7 mt sail I would love some help I love the rush of going fast but get frustrated when I fall every turn and fight to get going again



Hot rod,
Like yourself, I started just over 12 months ago.....I'm by no means an expert, (and honestly shouldn't probably even be giving advice.....but I need typing practice....so, here I go)

Waterstarts - take your time for a start, pick a day when it's blowing only 10 or so knots, and enjoy just laying in the water, rig in the air, facing the mast square to the oncoming wind, waiting for that gust to pick you up, when ready sheet in (or push front-hand up, which will bring your sail around nearly square to the wind, and you should get lift, (sheet-out as you get vertical is also good beginners advice,) best advice is not to rush (or fight it), or your rig will flip every time.

Gybes - FIIK...but I watched a mates P.Hart's wave intro vid for about the 10th time on the weekend...(sorry can't think of the name at the moment,) Then tried his methods on Sunday, the best advice I took out of it was to forget the sail, turn the board 180 degree, (obviously) and let the sail come around after ie:- clew first sail for a few metres, or until you get balance. It's also handy to try to clew-first waterstart.

Don't know if this is the right advice, but it works for me. (BTW, I'm also on a big board (165lt) and sails 6.5 - 7.5.)

You're posting on the right forum though, it's helped me enjoy the sport immensely since I joined.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
19 Feb 2007 6:15pm
Gybing:

Now here's a can of worms. The most important thing is practice. The next most important thing is perseverance.

The things that really helped me were:
1) Realising that you don't have to carve the board to gybe it. Just about every tutorial out there assumes you're planing on the entry, and is talking about getting a planing exit. If all you want to do is stay dry, then read on:
2) Go out on flat water, in light wind, with a small sail and big floaty board. You're not aiming to get planing, you're aiming to turn around.
3) Sail along normally (90 degrees to the wind).
4) Reach back down the boom with your clew hand, and pull the boom towards you, while pushing the sail forwards/to the outside of the turn.
5) Lean back against the pull in the sail, almost sinking the tail.
6) The board will pivot around. The more you lean back, the quicker it will pivot, so easy does it the first few times. Dance around the mast so your new front foot is just in front of the mast base.
7) You will now be sailing back the other way, clew first. Steady yourself, and flip the sail.

The sail flip had me stymied for ages until I cracked it. Try going out into the garden on a very light wind day, with a rigged up sail, and practice flipping the sail until you can do it with your eyes closed. Do it again, this time letting go the boom completely, and clapping your hands as the sail flips around. Get comfortable flipping from one tack to the other. Get comfortable angling the sail so it's clew first into the wind.
Last but not least, as you grab the new side of the boom make sure you grab it palm upwards. This means your elbows don't knock against each other and it's a lot easier.

Well, that's it, good luck, and keep on dancin'
hot rod
hot rod
NSW
11 posts
NSW, 11 posts
19 Feb 2007 10:34pm
Thanks to every one for all the advice i cant wait to get out there and give it a try.
drjukka
drjukka
QLD
258 posts
QLD, 258 posts
20 Feb 2007 12:17am
Hot Rod,

While I am not great exponent of the gybe or the water-start I have the following advice on the gybe.

1. COMMIT - put your weight forward and across and lean into the the gybe - I usually stuff up becuase I'm woried about some chop or have my weight too far back on the board. The sail 'flip' thing Nebs talks about feels natural when you are "committed" - you just have this sense of when to "let it go" - as an experiment try holding on for too long - you will soon feel it.

The hardest thing I find about gybin is doing it in too little wind - I used to wait for a lull to gybe - smoother water - easier to control - BIG MISTAKE I now think - gybe during the gust (especially in marginal conditions)

As for water starting - one coe you have it nailed it is great.

Hardest part is balancing the pull of the sail and the direction the board points in. Be careful when getting up to keep your weight forward, foot near the mast - this stops the board 'rounding up' into the wind.
Use the swell and waves to your advantage - as a passing wave lifts you out of the water - push up and feel the sail 'pop' you out of the water - then run off the breexe until you get on the plane - then worry about working up-wind.

- J




Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
20 Feb 2007 10:14am
waterstarting: use the board for buoyancy. Put your hand on the tail of the board while you're trying to get the rig out of the water. Makes a big difference.

Lay the sail in the water so the clew is downwind and the board and mast pretty much line up, across the wind. Put your back hand on the board and your front hand on the mast (they will be crossed over). Uncross your arms, pulling the mast over your head and into the wind, keep your other hand on the board. As you do this the wind will get under the sail and it should come free in one smooth motion. Once the sail is flying take your board-hand off and put it on the boom and move your mast-hand to the boom. Put your back foot on the board.

Take a wide grip on the boom, back a bit (keeps the mast vertical as you raise it so you don't bear away/point up accidentally).

Push up with your arms as far as you can reach and bend your back knee to bring you alongside the board, keep the other leg straight, pointing at the sea-floor, for stability.

Then pull up as you feel the wind fill the sail. Weight your board-foot, pulling the board in under your bum as you extend out of the water. Keep your other leg straight as it is pulled out of the water and when you're almost standing put it on the board too. Keep your knees bent (stay low) and sheet out a bit when you're upright so you don't get pulled right over.

The best way to visualise it is to think of a wall, waist/chest high. Imagine there is someone on the wall pulling you up by your hands. You have one foot on the wall. What would you do? You would start close to the wall by bending your wall-knee and while keeping the other leg straight you'd pull up with your arms and pull/push up with your wall-leg.
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