waist harness vs seat harness

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jsn_batman
jsn_batman
WA
86 posts
WA, 86 posts
21 Jul 2006 10:02am
how many people still use the seat harness?. Just a 'survey' sorta, whats more comfortable, more pratical, better on the budget, easier sailer(what disciplines). just wondering (you can tell its friday) oh btw 45 knots this week HEHE[}:)]
elmo
elmo
WA
8890 posts
WA, 8890 posts
21 Jul 2006 10:19am
I use a cahbrina kite seat harness

I think you can get better mast foot pressure with a seat as well.

Just can't bring myself to loading up and being catapulted from the middle of my back

Alby
jsn_batman
jsn_batman
WA
86 posts
WA, 86 posts
21 Jul 2006 10:38am
thats true, i like to do a bit of every thing, nothing beats blistering speed sailing or i quite enjoy freestyle, the waist harness i find is great for freestyle and speed, but as elmo said you get that feeling of almost/actually being flung over the bar. So the seat gives you more security and downward pressure on the mast, while a waist harness would deliver power and agility because the mast is more upright and you can lean a lot further forward(early planing) please correct me
HAIL
HAIL
SA
1160 posts
SA, 1160 posts
21 Jul 2006 5:15pm
i tried both any prefer a seat. i found the waist sliped up around my chest and was bloody annoying. a seat is easy and comfy!
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
21 Jul 2006 4:07pm
i'm a seat harness, yes I look like i've ** myself with it on, but it just feels so natural now..............

every time i try a waist it feels horrible and hooked in jumps don't feel as controlled...

mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
22 Jul 2006 12:45pm
Got both, (only a flat water sailer) seat feels way better. waist harness although a good quality one is a painful bit of gear that tends to slide up at any chance, and end up near your armpits.(have even thought of modifying the thing with straps down under each side to stop the northerly slip, but haven’t yet worked out what to do as it will just then be like a seat harness.
Wind warrior reckons they have perfected a wettie that stops this happening with a waist harness. Will be keen to see what they have when they bring it out.

Most Northern hemisphere mags claim that the waist is the way to go and get out of the seat harness. Cant see it myself.
Jman
Jman
VIC
881 posts
VIC, 881 posts
22 Jul 2006 3:30pm
I used a seat harness for 6 years when it finally wore out I was talked into a waist, I tried for 2 years to get used to it, put my old seat harness back on for one session and sold that over priced piece of crap ( waist harness) got myself a new seat and thought what a waste of 2 years.
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
NSW, 1871 posts
22 Jul 2006 4:32pm
I went to seat harness a few years back, it took a little while to get used to it but now it feels great. I have even used it for formula gear. No sore back and I've had no problems with mast foot pressure. I also find it allows for easier lower body movement to absorb chop and aid manouverability. I trird out my seat a few times afterwards and it felt like I was going to get lifted out of the straps. SO I guess it's just a matter of getting used to it. I also find it gives your abs a workout, I notice it when I haven't been sailing for a while.
Des
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
NSW, 1871 posts
22 Jul 2006 5:23pm
What I meant to say is that I went to a waist harness a few years ago.
barn
barn
WA
2960 posts
WA, 2960 posts
23 Jul 2006 8:57am
Changing from one to the other takes a bit of getting used to. Barn forced me to change 2 yrs ago as a style-correction measure. If you're not careful you can get into the bad habit of sitting in a seat harness and sailing with bent arms. Your weight is better off outboard as with straighter arms.

I was boa constricted when I first used my old bent arm style in a waist harness. If you want to breathe you have to correct your posture. Apparently I don't look like a gorilla anymore. Ian
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
23 Jul 2006 3:53pm
WAIST vs SEAT
??

If your decision is based purely on X-factor.......
THEN..
The seat harness looks like a nappy.
(hence the term 'poo-stance)
AND..
The waist harness looks like body armour.
(camo print optional)

PS.
The third option is a Nitrous Shorts/harness.
(boardshorts with built-in harness)
But if you wear the Nitrous with your steamer,
you'll look like a kitefag.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
23 Jul 2006 5:59pm
hi waveslave,

do the nitrous harnesses work. i never use a wetsuit so i'm safe from the kite look. I would like to try one maybe.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
23 Jul 2006 4:25pm
Gestalt,
The nitrous harness scores about a 3 on the X-factor scale.
MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
1509 posts
VIC, 1509 posts
23 Jul 2006 6:41pm
I used to sail with a seat harness for years when I had more slalom oriented gear. Boxy railed boards, cambered sails and upright pointy fins seemed to go well with a low hook where you'd hang you butt off the boom. Changed to a waist harness a few years ago which seems better for a freeride or waveboard. Although it doesn't ride up, I tend to get sore lower ribs after a while, and it does constrict my breathing a bit. The seat was definately more comfortable, but now I think I prefer the waist.
ka43
ka43
NSW
3101 posts
NSW, 3101 posts
25 Jul 2006 11:00am
Waist for wave sails and hi wind slalom and seat for race sails.
Back from Maui and just about everyone on waist.
Watched a bit of the Maui Race series and even most of the pro's used waist in slalom. Heaps of movement and you dont feel locked down.
Having said that, I like a seat when Im using race or big sails on a slalom board, more leverage.
My 2 cents
Big Al
Big Al
WA
265 posts
WA, 265 posts
25 Jul 2006 10:25am
Waist harness everytime in my book, you just can't beat sailing in boardies. I changed to a waist harness after I found out I had a ruptured disk in my lower back a few years ago & it has been totally awesome. There is never any slip factor, I was advised to get 1 size smaller & strap it up nice & tight - they also said lose the gut or it will end up looking like a "manzeer" after 10 minutes. The other misconception is people wear them too low when they first try them, the underside of the harness should sit above your hip bone. BTW mineral1 I have a WindWarrior top & it's as if they designed it specifically to suit a waist harness - nice going lads.
Burn those nappies & undeleg straps & come join the revolution....!

AB...
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
25 Jul 2006 1:14pm
Big Al, there's a thought, my new blast shield and waist harness. Havnt tried them together, will give it a go this weekend.
If it stays put and doesnt slip up under my arm pits then its a go'er.
Thanks for the tip.
CJW
CJW
NSW
1731 posts
CJW CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
25 Jul 2006 7:44pm
Like most people I started with a seat harness and honestly if I was teaching someone how to windsurf today it's the last thing I'd recommend. I switched to Waist a few years back and although initially I thought, WHAT THE, since getting used to it I can't go back.

I tried my seat harness last year when I broke out the big slalom sail, I sailed for about 200m and turned around...it was that bad. With a seat you get nowhere near the control or the flexibility as with a waist. When a gust hits you are pulled up onto your toes and it is FAR easier to get out of control (read: catapult) than with a waist harness. Since wave sailing is what I do most it's an obvious choice but trust me I wouldn't use my seat for any type of sailing these days, it's merely an air loom :P
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