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sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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7 Feb 2011 9:01pm
I'll answer other posts a bit better tomorrow but I went out in a 30kt odd S yesterday & riigged my 3.3m Sailworks 95 model sail..used my new boom for the first time & it was too long by about 10".I had the sail set really flat & besides being too small for the conditions (25kts - 30..if 30 + it would have been ok) it felt so @## twitchy it was unbelievable! I haven't noticed that before but then I've been sailing with modern sails lately.One second there was no power & then it was twitching all over the place ugh! I was also on my long skinny 95 model waveboard that i hadn't ridden for 18months.. I ended up coming in & switching to modern gear & 4.2m sail which was too much but still easier to control..
Do you think it was pulling the sail too flat or the extra long boom that would have caused the hassles..? I have a custom boom for it but it's so old it has an inhaul that has to be rope tied ..It always comes loose..
kato
kato
VIC
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7 Feb 2011 10:56pm
The sail sounds like it was too flat Sue. To much outhaul= no power
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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7 Feb 2011 8:02pm
^^^^+1 ...... overouthauled makes twitchy

Also having the clew of the sail aways from the end of the boom by more than an inch or so exacerbates the problem

petermac33
petermac33
WA
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7 Feb 2011 8:24pm
i think[not sure] modern wave sails are alot less on/off than the older wave sails.

i remember using a early 2000 4.5m wave sail in 25 knots and i could not get the nose of board to lift, the power was so on/off. i went back to using my 5.8m race sail that i was struggling to hold.

my 2009 3.3m Tushinham Rock wavesail performs like a race sail in 28/35 knots [so stable], but in 25/28 range i really struggle.

it is only on/off power when i hit a lull, nothing to do with the stability of the sail.

i equalled my fastest ever gps time on this sail,so i recommend it.


saltiest1
saltiest1
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8 Feb 2011 12:31am
ive had a few older sails from the 90s and they are definately harder to handle than modern sails, especially when the mast and boom dont match the sail. they tended not to twist off of as much either and need just the right conditions.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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8 Feb 2011 11:29am
I rarely get to enjoy the 3.3m as it need so be consistent 30kts+ & I'm generally usiong it in winter gales that gust from 20 - 40kts +.. Mind you when it does suit its amazing to be able to fly along in control with big ramps everywhere.. I think a 3.8m modern sail would probably get more use.
I'll have to go back to using the custom boom..ughh I hate that rope inhaul![}:)]
CJW
CJW
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8 Feb 2011 12:23pm
Slightly off the main topic but what the heck in an 'inhaul'? If it's what I think it is (boom that has to be tied to the mast), seriously, get it, find the nearest bin and throw it in, along with the sail. You won't improve your sailing using crappy old gear, imo.
elmo
elmo
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8 Feb 2011 9:27am
it's a 3.3

only to be used when large dogs are being rolled down the beach

Rigging to flat is the killer though
MavericK040
MavericK040
WA
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8 Feb 2011 9:35am
dude the rope that is on the front end of your boom that hooks on the clamp bit and u tighten with the lever is called the inhaul....

look it up before u go off half cocked.
CJW
CJW
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8 Feb 2011 12:44pm
MavericK040 said...

dude the rope that is on the front end of your boom that hooks on the clamp bit and u tighten with the lever is called the inhaul....

look it up before u go off half cocked.


I did say 'if it is what I think it is' which indicated I wasn't 100% sure. There wasn't an abundance of information on the exact issue, IE do you have to tie the boom on (it doesn't have a clamp), or does the boom clamp not have a cleat etc so you have to manually tie the rope up somehow. etc etc.

End of the day it comes loose for whatever reason and my statement stands, bin it (unless it can somehow be repaired). When you're trying to improve your sailing the last thing you want to be worrying about is your damn boom.
MavericK040
MavericK040
WA
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8 Feb 2011 9:47am
Agreed

crap booms = pain in the ass.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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8 Feb 2011 2:06pm
elmo said...

it's a 3.3

only to be used when large dogs are being rolled down the beach
Rigging to flat is the killer though


or sboardcrazy...
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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8 Feb 2011 2:09pm
CJW said...

MavericK040 said...

dude the rope that is on the front end of your boom that hooks on the clamp bit and u tighten with the lever is called the inhaul....

look it up before u go off half cocked.


I did say 'if it is what I think it is' which indicated I wasn't 100% sure. There wasn't an abundance of information on the exact issue, IE do you have to tie the boom on (it doesn't have a clamp), or does the boom clamp not have a cleat etc so you have to manually tie the rope up somehow. etc etc.

End of the day it comes loose for whatever reason and my statement stands, bin it (unless it can somehow be repaired). When you're trying to improve your sailing the last thing you want to be worrying about is your damn boom.


I thought my new boom would fit it..according to the figures it should have but no..I only use it a couple of times a year.I'll just have to be more careful about how I tie it. The problem is its so long between uses I forget how to tie it & spend 15mins on the shore trying to figure it out..[}:)]. I think I may have been wrapping the rope around the mast under the boom & then lowering it when I think it needs to be wrapped around above so when its lowered it keeps tightening..
Anyone got any photos of how to tie one of those old dinosaurs..?
DavMen
DavMen
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8 Feb 2011 2:17pm
Its not a carbon mast is it? - I wouldn't be using a 'tie-on boom' on a carbon mast.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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8 Feb 2011 3:39pm
Come on I'm not that rich! Its a 30% carbon..
DavMen
DavMen
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8 Feb 2011 3:54pm
Oh... Thats OK then only a 30% chance of breaking.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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8 Feb 2011 5:22pm
DavMen said...

Oh... Thats OK then only a 30% chance of breaking.


Squid Lips
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8 Feb 2011 6:54pm
sboardcrazy said...

I thought my new boom would fit it..according to the figures it should have but no..


If the sail was designed to suit a small, soft mast like a 340 and you are using it on a stiffer 400 then it's likely you are not putting as much downhaul on as intended, which is not putting as much curve in the mast as intended, effectively making the boom length shorter.
terminal
terminal
1421 posts
1421 posts
8 Feb 2011 7:39pm
Way back about 1990, I sailed a 3.2 that I had rigged flat because the wind was extreme. It was very difficult to hold it as it kept bucking back and forth in my hands. In those days, they hadn't really developed sails that twisted off ( that happened about 1997 If I remember right).

I used to sail with the sort of rig you put together and all I will say is - the newer stuff is waaaaaaaay better if the wind is up and down and gusty. If you get the chance to try someone's recent 3.7m rigged on the right mast, you'll be amazed at how much better it is in strong gusty winds.

sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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8 Feb 2011 10:59pm
Squid Lips said...

sboardcrazy said...

I thought my new boom would fit it..according to the figures it should have but no..


If the sail was designed to suit a small, soft mast like a 340 and you are using it on a stiffer 400 then it's likely you are not putting as much downhaul on as intended, which is not putting as much curve in the mast as intended, effectively making the boom length shorter.


Yep..I'm using a 400 mast..I used to use a 430 with it!
Terminal -
Re 90's sails -sounds like my sail.I think it would be a 94 odd. I'd love to have a newer version but at the moment the first priority is to replace my 5.7m sail as I need one that size more often.
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