top$ masts & booms worth it?

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waggles56
waggles56
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27 Mar 2010 10:03am
Just selling off some gear with the thought of upgrading my mast and boom. I currently use the x3 NP mast and boom ,(All my sails are N.P wave sails under 2 y.o.)
Is the top of the range gear worth the $? You can spend 2 grand on a new boom and mast but will I appreciate the difference? Mainly sail on Port Phillip Bay chop.
Also is N.P the only choice I have in compatible masts or is there another brand that I can also investigate that works just as well with N.P sails?
Al McLeod
Al McLeod
VIC
633 posts
VIC, 633 posts
27 Mar 2010 11:21am
masts are definitely worth it especially if you start going out in proper waves. the difference in rig responsiveness and light weight feel between a 30% carbon and 80-100% carbon mast is massive.
booms i would say are less important. i bought a new x3 as a spare and havent noticed a real significant difference in stiffness to my x9.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
27 Mar 2010 8:35am
If upgrading masts, I would consider skinnies as well.

Apparently lots of brands are compatible with NP, have heard good things about Powerex.
Richiefish
Richiefish
QLD
5612 posts
QLD, 5612 posts
27 Mar 2010 10:52am
funny. I read that three times as "PowerSex"...b4 I read powerex...
Paul Yeomans
Paul Yeomans
WA
66 posts
WA, 66 posts
27 Mar 2010 9:58am
Hey there, for freesailing in choppy/gusty conditions I would steer clear of 100% carbon masts. There really expensive and you will get a more comfy ride out of a 75% freeride mast.
As for booms, CARBON! there luxury, they wont bend, and if they bust you can fix `em.
Scully
Scully
WA
412 posts
WA, 412 posts
27 Mar 2010 11:36am
Powerex!
They stand behind their masts with warrantys.
I think they have a two year warranty? or is it a one year? on all skinnys.
Either way it gives you some piece of mind.
I'm intending on buying a powerex 400 85% with my next paycheck
FlickySpinny
FlickySpinny
WA
657 posts
WA, 657 posts
27 Mar 2010 5:25pm
Spend the money on masts - save the money on booms.

Ezzy skinnies are brilliant and strong, but stupid expensive ($700 each I think at the moment).

However, you can buy the top and bottom halves separately, and they interchange... so if you're clever about it and buy the right sails you can get away with less masts.

I cannot come close to justify spending over a grand on a carbon boom when a $259 Prolimit one will do the same job just as well.
waggles56
waggles56
VIC
204 posts
VIC, 204 posts
27 Mar 2010 8:34pm
Are they compatible with NP sails? It sounds like the Powerex are. Found out can't get NP skinnys x9 at the moment as they are setting up a new factory. No idea how long they'll be. SHQ in Melb said they'll be soon, but cost $970
FlickySpinny said...

Spend the money on masts - save the money on booms.

Ezzy skinnies are brilliant and strong, but stupid expensive ($700 each I think at the moment).

However, you can buy the top and bottom halves separately, and they interchange... so if you're clever about it and buy the right sails you can get away with less masts.

I cannot come close to justify spending over a grand on a carbon boom when a $259 Prolimit one will do the same job just as well.


windgeorge
windgeorge
WA
108 posts
WA, 108 posts
27 Mar 2010 6:41pm
Powerex are no longer in production what left in shops is it .
FlickySpinny
FlickySpinny
WA
657 posts
WA, 657 posts
27 Mar 2010 6:54pm
My views on matching masts and sails is well known on seabreeze - I consider it to be a marketing ploy unless you've got cammed / speed / race sails.

They work well on my Naish and Gaastra sails. Can't comment on Pryde.

$970 for a mast - f&%$in hell that's a lot of money...
jh2703
jh2703
NSW
1225 posts
NSW, 1225 posts
27 Mar 2010 10:08pm
If you've got the coin go for the X9 stuff, you do get what you pay for. I ran X3 last year and it was ok, Changed to 2010 X6 RDMs and 2010 X6 booms and there is a world of difference. I've sailed X9 stuff as well but I can tell little difference between the X6 and X9, If you run big race sails you may notice a difference but for a wave sail the X6 is perfect. I'm a heavy weight sailor and I notice a huge difference in the booms, If your light you could get away with a cheap boom but if your anywhere near 90kgs get a good boom, full carbon if you can...If not get a hybrid at least. I've broken a boom but I have never broken a mast and I've put my masts through hell...I'm new to wave sailing and have seen my X6 mast smashed many times into sand bars, reefs and countless other things with no problems. Every sailor has a brand they like, at the end of the day it's your coin...spend it however you like.

Buy Neil Pryde X6
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
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27 Mar 2010 7:26pm
I am using a 430 80% tushingham mast in my NP V8 sails and it seems to work really well and no different from the NP equivalent.

I am also using a 460 Severne BlueLine (80 or 75% I think) in my bigger V8s and it works well too.

If you can, take your sail with you and see if it rigs the same as it did on a NP mast.

I guess the masts to stay away from are the one's meant for Gaastra sails and I think Maui Sails (not 100% on that one) as they have a different bend.

As for 'is it worth it', I switched from a NP X3 30% 460 to a 75% 'speedstick' and the change in sail feel was amazing. It made a rig that felt heavy into a really nice 'light' rig. If I can, I won't go back to anything less than 70% carbon.

Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
27 Mar 2010 11:20pm
I've got a NP X6 460 and it works well with both a North Warp 7.8m 2006 model and my Loft 02, 2009 models, of 7.4m, 6.6m. I have not tried it with the 5.9m as this summer there hasn't been enough wind for such a small sail, except one day a massive southerly came through and a 3.7m would have been a bit big
busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
27 Mar 2010 8:58pm
Scully said...

Powerex!
They stand behind their masts with warrantys.
I think they have a two year warranty? or is it a one year? on all skinnys.
Either way it gives you some piece of mind.
I'm intending on buying a powerex 400 85% with my next paycheck



If you manage to make the swim back in with the two halves!!!!!!!
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
28 Mar 2010 3:20am
if it's any help, from my own experience, powerex 85% skinnys work fine in pryde wavesails. powerex skinny masts seem to have quite a good reputation

sorry to hear it if they are finished. I notice the website is still up?
wave knave
wave knave
306 posts
306 posts
28 Mar 2010 1:35am
i was considering upgrading to a carbon mast last year, i normally use the cheaper 30-50% ones, ended up demoing a 100% first, used it on my sails, np expressions, and really couldnt tell a difference... certainly not enough to spend that much cash.
wildblue
wildblue
3 posts
3 posts
2 Apr 2010 12:56pm
a good stiff boom can extend your sails wind range almost as much as a top $ mast. A bendy boom will let the draft change and COE travel around at will, usually back in gusts. Not so good for riding over powered.
I use a carbon slalom boom from 4.4 to 7.5. Could use a little more outhaul range with the 7.5 and starts to feel hefty with the 4.4, but everything in the middle is sweet.
The triangular tubed booms coming out are worth a look.
pepe47
pepe47
WA
1382 posts
WA, 1382 posts
2 Apr 2010 1:16pm
wildblue said...

a good stiff boom can extend your sails wind range almost as much as a top $ mast. A bendy boom will let the draft change and COE travel around at will, usually back in gusts. Not so good for riding over powered.
I use a carbon slalom boom from 4.4 to 7.5. Could use a little more outhaul range with the 7.5 and starts to feel hefty with the 4.4, but everything in the middle is sweet.
The triangular tubed booms coming out are worth a look.


I agree, the Aeron looks like it would also reduce fatigue with an ergonomic grip, plus the triangular shape suggests to me it would be stiffer by a greater degree (triangle being the strongest shape) aeronsport.com
Billys
Billys
VIC
4 posts
VIC, 4 posts
4 Apr 2010 12:01am
windgeorge said...

Powerex are no longer in production what left in shops is it .


Yeah thats right. Contacted powerex and they have moved out of windsurfing and are concentrating on making other carbon products.
Can't get NP masts either as the new factory is still in the setting up stage.

Making it hard to spend money!

Just as well its autumn in Melbourne.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
7 Apr 2010 5:27pm
the saddest piece of news this year is that powerex are no longer.

that sux!
waggles56
waggles56
VIC
204 posts
VIC, 204 posts
7 Apr 2010 11:05pm
Thanks for all the advice. Will spend $ on mast but now need to decide between the x-combat rdm (approx 3 week wait) or 90% rdm Powerex wave as I found one still in stock and is about $200 cheaper than x-combat. Opinions appreciated
(sailing NP wave sails in bump& jump & looking at getting into ocean waves.)
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
8 Apr 2010 12:30am
according to the peterman site the powerex and the xcombat have the same bend curve.

www.peterman.dk/masts-all-imcs01.htm
KEVKEV
KEVKEV
74 posts
74 posts
9 Apr 2010 5:12am
I have just changed from having hot sails maui hot rod range masts( 92% carbon) and x3 masts for use in my severne blades,gators and ncx pro editions to using all severne blue line masts specified for them and notice the world of difference.. lent my rig to a mate for a blast the other day and watched closely how the sail/rig reacted to big wind gusts( i sail in wgtn nz) and compared to other rigs on the water that day it stayed steady and just kept accelerating...not a pro sailor by any imagination but the difference in sailing the rig and how it actually rigged up on the beach was immense..the leach loosens off gradually on a nice arc when rigged with correct mast as opposed to all or nothing with other brand mast. Am using x6 booms...They seem ok... i think the money should be spent on the correct mast and you should try to save on the boom...thats my 2cents worth..good luck !
KEVKEV
KEVKEV
74 posts
74 posts
9 Apr 2010 5:16am
Also you guys in oz should check out the NZ TRADE ME site...there is some junk on there but there are also some great deals especially on good quality masts...and check WILD WINDS WELLINGTON site..usually lots of great specials...with the exchange rate you could come out with a great deal even with nz-oz freight taken into account... ps..no i dont work for either place....
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
NSW, 1871 posts
11 Apr 2010 6:12pm
waggles56 said...

Thanks for all the advice. Will spend $ on mast but now need to decide between the x-combat rdm (approx 3 week wait) or 90% rdm Powerex wave as I found one still in stock and is about $200 cheaper than x-combat. Opinions appreciated
(sailing NP wave sails in bump& jump & looking at getting into ocean waves.)


You going to spend good money on a decent mast so choose well. Ideally see if you can borrow one to test, or second best option - take your sail to the shop and try an X Combat RDM (one of the shop staff should have one). See how the sails looks on this rigged to spec and then compare (Take a pic if you have to) with your other options.

I bought some used X9's (for my wave sails) a few years ago from a sponsored sailor. They've had a lot of use / abuse and still going strong. And I did notice a good performance difference from the 30&60% carbon masts I was using previously.
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