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waggles56
waggles56
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2 Jun 2009 9:15pm
Son has just be diagnosed with swine flu and whole family has been quarantined. My misses says we have to stay in the house but I reakon if I keep my distance I should be right for 7 days of windsurfing. Is this reasonable of me? Maybe if you see a guy out at Hampton Beach wearing a face mask don't get too close.
Pity no wind forecast What a waste!!!
fullmoon
fullmoon
WA
314 posts
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2 Jun 2009 7:33pm
As I understand it the flu virus this time around is probably the mild version .
Next time around it may have mutated into a far more serious virus. Fortunately your son should have immunity to the virus now.
The Spanish flu of 1918 was not a big threat in the first wave, 20-30,000,000 fatalities in the second wave
I'd be staying home and trying to get the flu if I was you[}:)]
stehsegler
stehsegler
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2 Jun 2009 8:06pm
my father in-law is a professor for immunology and pretty much said this regarding infection:

"someone comes to your door, you open and say "how can I help you". Reply is "can I talk to you about <insert usual sales pitch here>". You say "no thanks". If the person was infected with a flu virus this short interaction is enough to get infected as well.

So I guess in other words stay home and do as you'r told buy the health department or your doctor.

waggles56
waggles56
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3 Jun 2009 10:14am
Won't be going anywhere. Health Depart has us quarantined for 2 WEEKS!!!
Will have to sit here and watch 'Beginner to Winner' a few hundred times or upgrade my Foxtel package.
Windxtasy
Windxtasy
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3 Jun 2009 9:21am
waggles56 said...

Won't be going anywhere. Health Depart has us quarantined for 2 WEEKS!!!
Will have to sit here and watch 'Beginner to Winner' a few hundred times or upgrade my Foxtel package.


You'll have plenty of time to think up captions for the caption contest then!
stehsegler
stehsegler
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3 Jun 2009 9:38am
waggles56 said...

Won't be going anywhere. Health Depart has us quarantined for 2 WEEKS!!!
Will have to sit here and watch 'Beginner to Winner' a few hundred times or upgrade my Foxtel package.


get a few TV series on DVD or better try and get hold of a few windsurf DVDs...
Alfredo
Alfredo
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78 posts
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3 Jun 2009 12:47pm
have you noticed your fingers going pink and little curly tails growing from your bum?

When you try to laugh now do you accidentally snort?

ha...

mmm okay maybe bad taste but seriously whats the go is it just like a normal flu?

ps. can you still eat bacon?
waggles56
waggles56
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3 Jun 2009 2:55pm
Son had 2 days in hospital and was quite ill but was really pretty much like the normal influenza A. DHS tells us that anyone of us can suddenly get a nasty, life threatening version of it when we asked should we deliberately try and get it, so I guess we'll forget that. Besides now got to keep the mind clear for the Caption Competition.
Might jump on ebay and buy us some DVDs. Any recommendations?

DHS literally rang back just then. We'll be holed up here until Friday week at the easliest. If we all get sick one week apart it could be months as there are 7 of us here, (but very unlikely) .
Looks like I'll get my post frequency up.
555
555
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3 Jun 2009 1:05pm
Who pays?

Obviously you won't be going to work, and sick leave probably isn't going to last the whole time.. You're going to be eating, and looking at new windsurfing gear the whole time, so it could get expensive? (not even considering a mortgage etc..)

Is there some kind of govt. subsidy for being forced to not work? If they are happy to pay people who can't be arsed working, surely they must pay you for being told to stay home?
waggles56
waggles56
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3 Jun 2009 6:42pm
Nah, they're good at work, even though my son was the first kid at school to be infected. (I teach at the same school). No issue with being paid although my wife works for herself and will be out of pocket. Windsurfing gear obviously comes out of my pocket so no worries there. Hope she doesn't want any extra $$$$ for food. Coles home delivery looks expensive.
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
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3 Jun 2009 4:56pm
555,

you raise an interesting point. Personally I am still amazed how expensive home delivery of groceries is in this country.

I have friends in New York who practically never go to the super market. They simply order over the web and it's all delivered to your front door. All you pay is a pretty low delivery fee not worth mentioning when you are talking a weeks worth of shopping. They still use the weekly farmers market on Saturdays to get fresh produce which also is loads cheaper than anything you get here.

I think the duopoly between Coles and Woolies has a very tight grip on grocery prices and is limited choice as well as ripping of people blind. If it wasn't for the small Italian grocers pop-ing up everywhere we would still be eating 3 veg and meat every day.

red
red
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3 Jun 2009 8:15pm
waggles56 said...

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Might jump on ebay and buy us some DVDs. Any recommendations?




DVD Boxed sets - Arrested development
Flight of the conchords

I still go and watch them - classics

Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
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3 Jun 2009 8:22pm
Life on Mars and The Sopranos are both great.

The full set of the Sopranos will take a fair while to get through.

NotWal
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3 Jun 2009 9:53pm
waggles56 said...

Won't be going anywhere. Health Depart has us quarantined for 2 WEEKS!!!
Will have to sit here and watch 'Beginner to Winner' a few hundred times or upgrade my Foxtel package.


What does quarantine entail, no going out at all or just no mixing with others? I would imagine that if you didn't interact with anyone you wouldn't be a hazard.
Jumping in the car and going for a sail wouldn't be dangerous.
waggles56
waggles56
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3 Jun 2009 11:58pm
Yeah I could go out to remote areas as long as we are not in contact with others or touching things like door handles that others might touch soon afterwards. Up to ourselves to police. Remote beach somewhere????
Will have a look at the DVD suggestions. Kids (older teenagers) agree with the titles. Thanks
Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
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3 Jun 2009 10:54pm
NotWal said...

waggles56 said...

Won't be going anywhere. Health Depart has us quarantined for 2 WEEKS!!!
Will have to sit here and watch 'Beginner to Winner' a few hundred times or upgrade my Foxtel package.


What does quarantine entail, no going out at all or just no mixing with others? I would imagine that if you didn't interact with anyone you wouldn't be a hazard.
Jumping in the car and going for a sail wouldn't be dangerous.


Flu viruses transmit as aerosols, not just by surface contact.
The idea of confining people to their home is to keep the air they breathe and the aerosols and virus particles in the home.
Viruses can travel long distances in the air - Rabbit Calicivirus was being tested on Kangaroo island in the 90's and showed up in rabbits on the mainland and has been endemic ever since!
I know you'd love to sail waggles, but please stay home.
If it's windy enough to sail, those viruses can potentially be spread a long way! Sorry.
stehsegler
stehsegler
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4 Jun 2009 1:58am
well, looks like you holiday might be over... apparently Victoria is now official in "sustain" mode meaning they will no longer force people into quarantine or at least that's what the news web sites are saying...

waggles56
waggles56
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4 Jun 2009 10:40am
Good news. We are now allowed out of quarantine tomorrow as long as noone else becomes sick. Govt. has been great. Delivery of Tamiflu arrived at the door by courier at 11:15pm last night. According to new advice I might be free for the long weekend. I can wait thanks to friendly neighbour who has deliverd newspaper and a six pack of refreshments to my doorstep.
Spotty
Spotty
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4 Jun 2009 11:35am
Wags' do your own research on Tamiflu, eg Tamiflu deaths, Tamiflu abnormal behavior, side effects, hoax etc, cheers Get well

Sarkozy’s Secret Plan for Mandatory Swine Flu Vaccination
3 Jun 2009 | 1:52 pm Infowars

F. William Engdahl
Global Research
June 3, 2009
The French Government is developing secret plans to impose mandatory vaccination of the entire French population, allegedly against possible Swine Flu disease according to reports leaked in a French newspaper. The plan is without precedent and even defies recommended public health advice. Pharmaceutical giants benefit from the move, as the Swine Flu increases the trend to militarization of public health and use of needless population panic to advance the agenda.




The Sarkozy government has authorized spending of an estimated €1 billion to buy vaccines allegedly to combat or protect against H1N1 Swine Flu virus.

According to a report in the May 30 edition of the French newspaper, Le Journal du Dimanche, the Sarkozy government has authorized spending of an estimated €1 billion to buy vaccines allegedly to combat or protect against H1N1 Swine Flu virus. The only problem is that to date neither the WHO nor the US Government’s Center for Diseases Control (CDC) have succeeded to isolate, photograph with an electron microscope and chemically classify the H1N1 Influenza A virus. There is no scientifically published evidence that French virologists have done so either. To mandate drugs for a putative disease that has not even been characterized is dubious to say the least.

Even more bizarre is the admission by the US Government’s Food & Drug Administration, an agency responsible for health and safety of its citizens, that the ‘test’ is approved for premature release to test for H1N1 is not even a proven test. More to the point, there is no forensic evidence in any of the deaths reported to date that has been presented that proves scientifically that any single death being attributed to H1N1 Swine Flu virus was indeed caused by such a virus. European epidemiologists believe the deaths reported to date are ‘coincidental’ or what are called opportunistic infections.

What we know conclusively is that the people who died often had prior respiratory complications of an undisclosed nature. People die every day with respiratory diseases. In the USA alone some 36,000 flu-related deaths are recorded yearly with no undue panic or alarm. Most are elderly or patients with lung diseases. To date in all France, 24 people have been identified by health authorities as even having ‘symptoms’ of H1N1. It is worth noting that the WHO and CDC list the symptoms of H1N1: temperature, coughing, headache, runny nose. Hmmmmm. Do you know anyone with such Swine Flu symptoms? Also worth noting is that in the counting of the more than 15,000 ‘confirmed’ H1N1 Swine Flu cases worldwide the vast majority made miraculous recovery within three to seven days, just as in the case of a bad cold.

The goal: Militarization of Public Health

Increasingly it is becoming clear that the successive waves of mass panic created in recent years by CDC, WHO and leading government agencies has an ulterior motive. We have been hit with mass panic over eating beef when cattle in the UK and elsewhere developed fatal illness that was called BSE or ‘Mad Cow’ disease. Later evidence emerged that BSE was the result of vaccination of the cows to kill harmless insects that got under the animal’s skin. More recently, after reports of incidence of what is called ‘Blue Tongue’ disease in cows, sheep and goats in Belgium and Holland in 2006, animal veterinary authorities in Germany, Switzerland and Austria imposed mandatory vaccination or treatment with drugs allegedly to protect the animals from bites by insects allegedly carrying the usually harmless illness.


A d v e r t i s e m e n t

The vaccinations of the animal herds has been made mandatory for an illness that typically was so mild as to go unnoticed and in only extreme rare cases could be tied to death. All animals after three months must be vaccinated. The vaccines, according to a report in the Swiss publication Aegis-Impuls from 2008, resulted in mass deaths, decreased birth rates, decline in milk yields, heart attack and other severe effects. The vaccines were used despite the fact none apparently had been previously certified as safe. They typically contained aluminium hydroxide and Thiomersol or mercury, as adjuvants and or preservatives, both highly toxic and both also used in most human vaccines.

Despite mass protests and reports to the veterinary authorities in Germany, Switzerland and Austria, the warnings went unheeded and mandatory mass vaccinations continued. Little wonder that farmers are taking their tractors to the streets to protest.

The report of a secret French government plan to vaccinate every French citizen over three months of age, over 100 million doses, is more than alarming. According to the French Le Journal du Dimanche, anticipating a probable return of the virus in the fall, the government will spend nearly a billion euros to buy vaccines. Authorities will announce in the fall if they decide to make the vaccine mandatory. "We will be ready to go in a very short time", explains the Minister of Health. According to sources, the state wants to order 100 million doses of flu vaccine from three laboratories, GlaxoSmithKline, Sanofi and Novartis. The latter two are French companies.

The French report comes just after the State of Massachusetts State Senate passed a mandatory vaccination bill that authorizes mandatory vaccination against purported H1N1 Swine Flu. In New York State the state hospital planning authority is debating making mandatory annual vaccination against flu of all public health employees, despite the fact that no approved vaccine for H1N1 exists. More and more it is beginning to appear that the scare about pandemic from flying birds or flying pigs is an excuse to justify mandatory vaccination with substances whose harmful side effects are demonstrably worse than any flu they should guard us against.

Novavax, a US pharmaceutical company based in Rockville, Maryland, conveniently enough just announced it is developing a vaccine for H1N1 based on “virus-like particles” that contain three key proteins of the flu virus without the genes required for replication. The vaccine is produced by techniques of genetic modification of organisms or GMO. The announcement came within days of the company announcing losses for the fiscal year of $36 million.

The drug Tamiflu which is officially recommended by the WHO as treatment to ‘ameliorate’ the symptoms of possible Swine Flu or H1N1 Influenza A as it has been renamed, is itself highly toxic. Health Canada informed Canadians of international reports of hallucinations and abnormal behaviour, including self harm, in patients taking the antiviral drug Tamiflu. In some cases death was the result and severe lung complications are widely reported associated with Tamiflu, the drug whose main financial benefactor is believed to be its largest stockholder, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
In 1976 in the US President Gerald Ford, nervous about winning a close election ordered mass immunisation of the population in the face of a possible pandemic to show voters he was a ‘hands on’ President. The 1976 pandemic never came but a vast number of people suffered serious neurological side effects from the vaccine that was rushed into production, including 25 reported deaths from Guillain-Barré syndrome.

Mandatory vaccination with drugs whose side effects are unknown because they have not been rigorously and independently tested begins to smack of the kind of inhuman mass human experiments carried out in the United States with mentally retarded, prisoners and other disadvantaged people or in Germany during the 1930’s
stehsegler
stehsegler
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4 Jun 2009 11:09am
@Spotty,

You don't seriously believe what you read on a leftish propaganda web site? You may as well get your medical facts from the populist Daily Telegraph.

Here is what I am being told by immunologists in the family:

- follow the advise issued by the WHO
- Avian flu or also know as Bird flu is far more scary than swine flu because in clinical test 100% of the test subjects (read mice) died when exposed to the virus while most injected with Tamiflu while seriously ill survived.
- what's unique about the H1N1 virus is that it seems to have changed behavior and severity the further the infection happened from the source in Mexico. this something that apparently really puzzles them
- the real concern is that H1N1 will merge with the common flu. Why is this bad? H1N1 is know to spread easily between hosts. The common flu on the other hand has a 10% mortality rate when looking at figures world wide (500.000 of 5 million infections annually end in death)

Should you take Tamiflu or not? Well, I guess if you lying in bed with 40 degree fever and all your muscles ace like there is no tomorrow you'll take anything just to make it stop. Trust me. I had a strain of the common flu while in Europe last December... on day 3 if someone would have handed me a gun I probably would pulled the trigger. It took at least 4 week to feel half way normal again...
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