good topic richo and it opens a can of worms.

kiters and windsurfers need to read maritime right of way rules (port,starboard and a sh1tload more) which we are all bound by.(club rules mean jack!)

today was superfun relatively uncrowded mayhem.(weekends???)

when the sh1t hits the fan????

still, today was another great day!

another great day richo!
replies anyone?

Mmm, new kid in town,a bit naive or just a bit too cocky.You know the problems with kites and poles in confined spaces, enough has been written before about this topic.

Thanks green leader, that's somewhere near Burlie isn't it

hay sandiman never read this section of seabreeze before. yea a search would have been easier I suppose. I imagine this topic has been done to death. But there are alot of new kiters coming on (its will really get popular soon) and perhaps someitmes you gotto go over old ground.

Been around kiting for a few years now, am lucky to be alive, surf for longer and did a bit of windsurfing. In fact i was planning it get one, but after watching the kiters at narrowneck one afternoon decide to go the kite.

Greenleader will fill us in on all the "stuff" I must agree that kiters and polies really should should keep away from each other if we can. From your point of view all that bloody string flin around must be pretty nasty.

It is just that this spot cooks and in certain conditions its the only one we got

All the same if it is really packed with wind surfers i will give it a miss. But if i rock up first and the crew arrives later i want to know the best way to share it with out causing to much pain.

Yea yea smith street burliegh heads......great on a westerly

lifted from www.windsurfingperth.com.au


Steering and Right of Way rules out on the water

Vessels in sight of one another

You can see the other sailor(s) (Not looking around is not an excuse)

(a) when two sailing vessels are approaching one another, so as to involve risk of collision, one of them shall keep out of the way of the other as follows:

(i) when each of them has the wind on a different side, the vessel which has the wind on the port side shall keep out of the way of the other;
Layman's Terms: Right hand forward (nearest the mast) means you are on a starboard tack and have "right" of way

(ii) When both have the wind on the same side, the vessel which is to windward shall keep out of the way of the vessel which is to leeward;
Layman's Terms: If you are upwind, you have more options to get out of the way. You cannot come down on someone to leeward(downwind).

(iii) if the vessel with the wind on the port side sees a vessel to windward and cannot determine with certainty whether the other vessel has the wind on the port or the starboard side, she shall keep out of the way of the other.
Layman's Terms: If you are not sure, keep out of the way anyway. Port always give way to starboard. Remember point (i) above.

(b) For the purposes of this Rule the windward side shall be deemed to be the side opposite that on which the mainsail is carried or, in the case of a square rigged vessel, the side opposite to that on which the largest fore-and-aft sail is carried.
Layman's Terms: When you are sailing along normally, you are facing leeward, your back is to windward.



Overtaking

Blasting past someone

(a) Any vessel overtaking any other shall keep out of the way of the vessel being overtaken.

(b) A vessel shall be deemed to be overtaking when coming up with a another vessel from a direction more than 22.5 degrees abaft her beam, that is, in such a position with reference to the vessel she is overtaking, that at night she would be able to see only the stern light of that vessel but neither of her sidelights.

(c) When a vessel is in any doubt as to whether she is overtaking another, she shall assume that this is the case and act accordingly.

(d) Any subsequent alteration of the bearing between the two vessels shall not make the overtaking vessel a crossing vessel within the meaning of these Rules or relieve her of the duty of keeping clear of the overtaken vessel until she is finally past and clear.
Layman's Terms: If you are blasting past someone, you have to give way to them ALWAYS.



Responsibilities Between Vessels

Who has to give way

(a) A power driven vessel underway shall keep out of the way of:

(i) a vessel not under command;
(ii) a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver;
(iii) a vessel engaged in fishing;
(iv) a sailing vessel;
Layman's Terms: Motor gives way to sail, so jetski's give way to sailors, but remember, it will not do you or your season any good if you are run over by a Rotto ferry!

(b) A sailing vessel under way shall keep out of the way of:

(i) a vessel not under command;
(ii) a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver;
(iii) a vessel engaged in fishing;
Layman's Terms: Don't run into moored boats, large ships in channels(cause they can't get out of the way or stop in time) and anchored boats full of fishermen.

(c) A vessel engaged in fishing when underway shall, so far as possible, keep out of the way of:

(i) a vessel not under command;
(ii) a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver.
Layman's Terms: A bit of a tricky one Fishing vessels give way to sail as it is motorised(Usually, but if it's a sail boat, then the port starboard thing kicks in), but if a fishing vessel is trawling, netting, or pulling/dropping pots, stay out of the way, or you could become part of the catch.

So the Basics in review

1.
A sailboard coming in to the beach/ramp shall keep clear of a sailboard leaving it.
2.
A sailboard on port-tack (left hand closest to mast) shall keep clear of a starboard-tack sailboard (right hand closest to mast).
3.
An overtaking sailboard shall keep clear of the overtaken sailboard.
4.
Except when gybeing around a mark, a sailboard that is tacking or gybeing(changing course) shall keep clear of a sailboard on a tack.
5. When both sailboards are tacking or gybeing at the same time, the one on the port (left) hand side shall keep clear.


Basic Wave Sailing Rules

1. A sailboard picking up a wave first has right of way.
2. When two sailboards catch a wave at the same time, the one closest to the peak has right of way.

I reckon its about rules and also about a little patience and good humour, and plenty about consideration, bit like driving a car. Everyone's there to have fun, dont be a prick, and if you cause someone a problem just yell out 'sorry'.
from what i saw at mambo it was the p driver age entrants who caused most problems and danger, bit like driving a car.
just what i think...
Nice of the kiter community to ask.

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Originally posted by greenleader

it's bloody 'burleigh heads'

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Sorry Greenleader, had a feeling it looked wrong but just too lazy to get an atlas out. knew you'd know where I meant.

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how many times do i have to tell you decrep.

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How high can you count?????

no worries "boardminded" glad you had a chance to blow off some steam. Twenty years or 200 you should know the young lions do not give a rats. And really we are just a bunch of old buggers getting in the way... and gettin older every year

Big thanks to the rest of you for your patience. I will read that info. I tried hard not to get in the way yesterday, some of the things i saw the other kiters do did drop my jaw. I made errors myself

I for one intend to keep kiting the train, but now i hope to do it more safely. You know the coast sux these last 15 years. The changes i have had to deal with at my local surf spots has been heart breaking. Those buggers did not give a dam about my history and neither should they. i am cool with it now but it has not been easy

chow

once again, greenleader you are on the money oh wise one!