sharks on the metro coast

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snapperpoint
snapperpoint
SA
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SA, 10 posts
30 Nov 2007 12:24am
There has been some large sharks spotted recently in popular sailing locations around Adelaide.This is not uncommon for this time of year ,the fish [salmon and snapper]move in close to the shore and the shark planes are in the air.
My question is are the great whites in danger or have they actually bred so well since the world placed a moratorium on their capture that they are no longer a threatened species.
There are lots of shark experts but they still no very little about these creatures.Most of the experts actually profit from the increase numbers of sharks with cage dives and tourists etc.
Do the shark shields work against a white pointer and can they make them smaller and cheaper?.
Next time a big white is hanging around the Adelaide metro coast I think they should auction the right to catch it on e bay.It might sound silly but I believe it would be sold for huge amounts of money.Some high profile rich dude gets to keep the jaws and plaster cast replica he then sells the film to fox tell.
The money that is raised from the death of this shark would help fund research to find out more about them and if they do find out that they are in danger then they should be protected.
Man takes every thing from the sea except white pointers the food chain is out of balance it needs to be investigated more.
The tribes in Africa do the same thing with Lions and Elephants ,but the money goes to the villages.
Most of the laws are made by people that do not play in the sea .
I am not asking for a slaughter of these animals but more research into them . I have seen them they are not scared of boats or man they are actually encouraged to boats .
One thing is for sure there will be more shark attacks.
Regardless I look forward without fear to my next sail or surf.
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
30 Nov 2007 12:54am
I reckon everyone should just stay the hell away from the sharks. Shark research is by putting tags and radio beacons on them not killing them (though the japanese would probably be inclined to agree with you).

You shouldn't be too concerned as you not on the menu for whites anyway unless they can't find normal prey. Since they are warm blooded they need a fat rich diet, to them you are just a lean hors-douvre and once they realise you're hardly worth the bite they'll swim away- albeit with you bleeding to death and all.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
30 Nov 2007 1:27am
yeah now there's a good idea........NOT!.

lets start auctioning off wildlife hunts on ebay......

why didn't i think of that.
spot1
spot1
WA
1588 posts
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30 Nov 2007 8:37am
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Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
30 Nov 2007 11:31am
Its probably a similar situation with crocodiles in FNQ and the NT. They were hunted to oblivion by people, including my father, around 40 years ago.

Now they are everywhere and are causing problems as they are big bastards who have no natural predators.

The differences could be that big sharks breed less successfully than crocs. Also its much more difficult to identify shark populations.

Its true the real beneficiaries of bans on shark fishing are the shark 'experts'. They say the species is threatened. The government gives them a grant of a few million dollars to go out and find out, which means they get their jollies going out in boats and taking photos, diving and stuff.

Whale experts can be tagged with the same brush, along with greenhouse and ozone layer scientists. Not a bad lurk getting down to Antartica every summer to drill some holes in the ice. I bet they bring plenty of beer with them and no worries about keeping them cold.

Anyway what can be done with white pointers? Not much I guess till people start getting eaten by them regularily. If Kylie Minogue gets taken off a beach it will be open season on them. If Guy Sebastian gets taken, scientists will be encouraged to develop AI for big sharks to boost their numbers.

WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
30 Nov 2007 9:45am
typical human

russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
30 Nov 2007 12:44pm
Interesting thoughts

What about getting the Japanese to do "scientific tests", design some genetecially engineered cross with whites/gummy sharks, release them in the wild to breed and just have big scary pointers without teeth - they'll gum you to death or suck your leg off!

Maybe we need to contract the Japanese whalers to catch drunk and reckless drivers and "use them for scientific testing or organ donation" statiscally we still have more chance of dying driving to the beach or even being struck by lightning or a heart attack when we think we saw one

They still make me nervous around SA but we need to put the risk in perspective

Arlo
Arlo
SA
139 posts
SA, 139 posts
30 Nov 2007 2:00pm
russh said...

statiscally we still have more chance of dying driving to the beach or even being struck by lightning or a heart attack when we think we saw one


The trouble with statistics is that you can use them to prove anything you want.

More people die from bee stings each year than from shark attacks, but then people come into close proximity with bees a hell of a lot more than sharks.

May not apply over here but, "you are more likely to have an accident if you drive a red car" was something that was quoted a few years ago in the UK based on the fact that more car accidents involve red cars than any other colour; but there are more red cars on the road than any other colour!!!!!!!! Probably applies to silver cars nowadays.

I think I'll get a chain mail wetsuit just in case, and then a big life jacket and water wings so I don't sink

It would be nice if we had access to an accurate database of sightings so you could make an informed decision on where you want to sail; but then again you'd still end up at Sellicks when it is the only place with wind.
Willaus0001
Willaus0001
QLD
333 posts
QLD, 333 posts
30 Nov 2007 3:32pm
I think the main point that is being forgotten here is that when you go windsurfing - WE are in THEIR territory, not the other way around. We are the outsiders, so to condon the killing of great whites (even for these so called "research purposes" - come on - the Japanese have been using that one for a long time) is quite similar to a sayin it is totally fine to kill your nieghbour because he drives on the road and could quite possibly run you down one day.

So pretty much if you want to go sailing, you take the risk to deal with the sharks.

As for the killing of great whites - maybe take a second to think that at least when they kill, they do it for food - NOT just so we can rest easy when we go sailing in the ocean.
Arlo
Arlo
SA
139 posts
SA, 139 posts
30 Nov 2007 4:19pm
Willaus0001 said...

As for the killing of great whites - maybe take a second to think that at least when they kill, they do it for food


If only that were true there would be a lot less to worry about; unfortunately they use their mouths just to find out what something is (all fingers and fins otherwise ), just a bit of a shame that when you have a mouth that big with that many teeth, your curiosity has a tendency to kill more than just the cat.
HAIL
HAIL
SA
1160 posts
SA, 1160 posts
30 Nov 2007 9:20pm
hey i look at it this way!!!.... if a HUGE fark off shark comes and bites my head of and mauls me to death.... while im windsurfing..... atleast i will die one happy person!!!! CAUSE windsurfing makes me so happy!! and its definatly worth risking getting eaten alive!!! peace.
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
30 Nov 2007 10:35pm
Willaus0001 said...

I think the main point that is being forgotten here is that when you go windsurfing - WE are in THEIR territory, not the other way around. We are the outsiders, so to condon the killing of great whites (even for these so called "research purposes"


Exactly, you don't go on safari and go fark those lions are dangerous someone should kill them.

Richiefish
Richiefish
QLD
5612 posts
QLD, 5612 posts
30 Nov 2007 10:46pm
I fear sharks...but I HATE jellyfish(blue stinging ****ers)
Mr. No-one
Mr. No-one
WA
921 posts
WA, 921 posts
1 Dec 2007 3:06pm
We are on their turf, we should show them some respect. honestly, how many windsurfers have been killed by any type of shark, even murderers aren't executed and they know what their doing.
Fear leads to hate, hate leads to revenge, revenge leads to, well you know[}:)]. Go with the statistics and forget their there and enjoy yourself, I do.
shark
shark
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
1 Dec 2007 3:48pm
mkseven said...

Since they are warm blooded they need a fat rich diet, to them you are just a lean hors-douvre and once they realise you're hardly worth the bite they'll swim away- albeit with you bleeding to death and all.



far as I know dolphins are the only warm-blooded fish??!!
monster
monster
TAS
495 posts
TAS, 495 posts
1 Dec 2007 6:08pm
dolphins are not fish they are mamals
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
1 Dec 2007 9:00pm
They most certainly have warm blood, not as warm as ours though. Tuna, Mako and 1 or 2 other species of shark have warm blood also (have the capacity to elevate the temperature of their blood above that of the water they are in).
latedropeddy
latedropeddy
VIC
417 posts
VIC, 417 posts
2 Dec 2007 12:49am
My missus wanted me to come over to Adelaide to visit her parents for xmas. she said "you can bring all your gear and go windsurfing", well she is on her own now...

must be an incentive for beginners to learn to waterstart quickly
Take care fellas.
Stone Age
Stone Age
NSW
68 posts
NSW, 68 posts
2 Dec 2007 12:43pm
I thought you guys were adrenalin junkies.......No sharks = no adrenalin....
shark
shark
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
2 Dec 2007 4:09pm
mkseven said...

They most certainly have warm blood, not as warm as ours though. Tuna, Mako and 1 or 2 other species of shark have warm blood also (have the capacity to elevate the temperature of their blood above that of the water they are in).



I think you will find that tuna etc control their blood temp by swimming up or down in the water column, not by internal means. Tuna in warmer water will swim up to the surface to feed then drop down a few hundred meters to cool off. Cant say I have EVER heard of a shark being warm blooded. Snakes and lizards do the same by laying out in the sun, but they are not warm blooded.
But please provide some more info as I am certainly open to learning!!
FilthyAmatuer
FilthyAmatuer
WA
877 posts
WA, 877 posts
2 Dec 2007 4:46pm
Great white sharks can maintain the body temperature higher than the surrounding water temperate, but i wouldnt call them 'warm blooded' like us.
monster
monster
TAS
495 posts
TAS, 495 posts
2 Dec 2007 6:57pm
all fishs are are cold blooded some like mention earler some have the ability to warm there blood above ambient water temp ,they do this in two ways ,one is to swim in warmer water and feed in the deeper colder water ,others like tuner and sharks have the ability to speed blood flow around iner muscals while slowing blood flow from the outside muscals all fishers that do this allso need to eat a lot more they allso can rest these muscles with half of there brain so they dont need to sleep, the reson most sharks cant stop swimming is that they will sink there only floatation is there big livers which is full of oil .the only warm blooded marine life is mamals eg, dolphin. whales which have blubber and fat to insurlate there bodys. pheeeewww regards bazz
choco
choco
SA
4181 posts
SA, 4181 posts
2 Dec 2007 8:49pm
If sharks eat humans and we eat shark doesn't kind of make us canonballs
TonyC
TonyC
WA
410 posts
WA, 410 posts
2 Dec 2007 9:35pm
To quote the CSIRO
"White sharks differ from most other sharks and scale-fish in that they are warm-bodied. The temperature of a white shark can be as high as 24-27degrees Celcius and as much as 13-14 degrees Celcius above the surrounding water. White sharks elevate their body temperature using a heat exchange system that retains the heat generated by their muscles. Their metabolism is closer to that of birds and mammals than to most other fish. Being warm-bodied has helped white sharks to become dominant predators of swift-moving prey in cool and cold environments."

see http://www.marine.csiro.au/LeafletsFolder/35shark.html
shark
shark
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
3 Dec 2007 12:40am
I see they do not describe them as "warm blooded" though?
I wonder why they dont use the heat seeking technology to find them on the beach patrols then, as with body searches etc?
recycle
recycle
WA
79 posts
WA, 79 posts
3 Dec 2007 8:42am
spot1 said...

LOOK AT THIS

CARCHARODON CARCHARIAS (RN42)3_NEW.AVI(3.29MB)

WA FISHERIES UNDERWARTER CAMERA AT CATHEDRAL ROCKS (ROTTO)
TAKEN 2 WEEKS AGO


Hey spot 1
Can't find the above on net can you post the address? I was surfing at Cathedrals around that time ,the seals that have moved into the bay recently were very playful at first but on paddling back to the boat noticed that they had all got out of the water !!
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
3 Dec 2007 6:46pm
shark said...

I see they do not describe them as "warm blooded" though?


Yes you are correct, they are not "warm blooded" but they do have warm blood... nuff said
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