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razzmatazz
razzmatazz
NSW
184 posts
NSW, 184 posts
16 Oct 2010 4:45pm
another question or two to the venerable and knowledgeable membership of seabreeze.

What's the difference in plain terms between all the different sials and then all the differnet fin types.
How does a slalom sail/fin differ from a wave sail/fin, freestyle sail/fin and so on.
I have just started sailing again after a hiatus of some 20 years and am so confused by all the different gear. I have a jp freeride board with a 46 original fin that I foolishly cut down and now need to replace. Would it be advisable to just buy a weedfin so that I am prepped for lake sailig as well or get two fins? My samllest sail is also a very old 5.6 which sometimes sill is a bit overpowered, particulary with my skills.
I weigh 85-90 kg depending on the day and sail mainly around Sydney or the south coast. I would like to sail a bit more in the oceanaswell but am still a bit to concerned re skill levels.
cheers
redsurfbus
redsurfbus
304 posts
304 posts
19 Oct 2010 6:50pm
I am by no means an expert but here is what I understand in brief.

Slalom fins / sails. The fins allow for more lift, are harder to gybe and perform better in straight lines, the sails have cams to lock the draft in a forward position, are harder to rotate but keep power up through lulls and control gusts better.

Wave fins/sails. The fins are swept back to allow for better turning, dont perform well in straight lines as slalom and are a lot slower at accelerating. The sails are easy to rotate and are rigged quite flat usually - they feel a lot more on/off than freeride/cammed sails. Sails are usually made from stronger material, often with xply in.

Freestyle fins/sails. The fins are short like wave but newer ones are not swept back - more of a trapezium like shape, allowing for backward sliding moves. The sails are often like the wave but lighter construction for more flicky/faffing stuff.

Freeride is just a combination of it all - the fins are longer like slalom, but have a slight sweep allowing for easier carving moves, the sails have quite deep profiles but no (or maybe a couple) cams.
Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
7268 posts
WA, 7268 posts
19 Oct 2010 7:00pm
Price and marketing.

One being inversely proportional to the other.
Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
7268 posts
WA, 7268 posts
19 Oct 2010 7:01pm
razzmatazz said...

another question or two to the venerable and knowledgeable membership of seabreeze.



Sorry, please ignore my last comment. I certainly don't fit your requirement.
razzmatazz
razzmatazz
NSW
184 posts
NSW, 184 posts
20 Oct 2010 7:43am
another question or two to the venerable and knowledgeable membership of seabreeze.

I certainly didn't mean that in a teasing, cheeky way. So far I have gotten quite a lot of help from forum members and am really greatful for it.
What i wanted to know is wether sails are interchangeable, I criss cross lakes and a bit on the ocean,and since I have to buy a new fin, it might be worth my while to buy a weedfin first since I also sial on lakes with weeds and wait with replacing the free ride fin. Cheers and lots of wind to you all
redsurfbus
redsurfbus
304 posts
304 posts
20 Oct 2010 6:26am
I gather that you mean can you use sails on the same mast?

If so, then yes, up to a point.

Bascially (and this differs with different brands) smaller sails set on smaller mast - say 4m-5m on 400, 5m-6.5m on 430, 6.5+ on 460 etc. BUT some brands now require reduced diameter masts (RDM or skinny) for their wave sails - the luff tube will not fit a standard (SDM) up it.
As the sail gets bigger so does the boom length, usually 2 booms will fill all your requirements - a 150-200 and a 180-240 (to not put too much strain on a fully extended boom I prefer to use a bigger one for my 6m and above even though it would fit on the smaller).

BUT it does get more complex......
There are different bend characteristics of masts - the brands differ in other words.
Some sails require a mast with a flex top - some a constant curve, some a stiff top.
This makes a lot of difference to the tunability of the sail, when you get it correct you really notice the difference and when it is wrong your sail will not perform as well as it should - like putting road tyres on a mountain bike or vice versa.

So in short keep to one brand for mast and sail until you have done it a while and start to understand the complexity of it all (or dont bother learning all the brands and just stick to one, im from the UK but love your home brand of severne - the gators are brilliant all round sails!)
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