problems with adjustable harness lines + outhaul

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sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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22 Jan 2010 10:16pm
My adjustable harness lines dont clamp any more ( buggerall use).I notice the grippers had corroded. I mentioned it to someone else & they said they had the same problem with their adjustable outhaul system.If you dont wash them in freshwater every sail they corrode & then the gripple system is gunked up & doesnt grip.You should be warned when you get them that they need to be washed or they should have instructions to that effect.I think I moved them twice.Ive taped below the grippers now so hopefully if they slip they'll get caught up & hold.
Grr..[}:)] Ive wash my gear in fresh water just not the harness lines.
At least I shouldnt have any more @##@#!!!! sails now..
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
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22 Jan 2010 9:42pm
yeah it's a real bugger. i had a pair of north adjustable with the metal buckles do the same.

the pair of north i had before that had plastic and were the best lines i've ever owned.

now i only buy ones that use plastic. the double clip pryde ones i have are also very good.

am also getting a set of standard dakine adjustable that have plastic buckles.
swoosh
swoosh
QLD
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22 Jan 2010 9:54pm
just buy 3 sets of fixed harness lines... like i now have lol.

CROWEMAN
CROWEMAN
VIC
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22 Jan 2010 11:52pm
Hey - but how's the new board treating you? Even my missus is interested, and she's got zippo interest in my own gear! Next instalment please.
dieseagull
dieseagull
NSW
241 posts
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23 Jan 2010 12:33am
I've got a pair of what appears to be called the "race vario harness lines" on this page
www.neilpryde.com/?Itemid=163&id=138&option=com_content&view=article

Had them for 2 years now, never been washed (because I'm lazy), and used about once every week or so during the summer.

They're also really easy to adjust while sailing.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
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23 Jan 2010 9:23am
CROWEMAN said...

Hey - but how's the new board treating you? Even my missus is interested, and she's got zippo interest in my own gear! Next instalment please.

Waiting for wind! Predicted 20 -30kts yesterday so I went out early so I could use the new lightwind board before it filled in.Max 6kts..wasn't that desperate.
I went out last Mon & had a horror sail.It was a gusty W [}:)] ( hate W) & I rigged a larger sail than I normally would.Put the 5.7m on as it was max 20kts .Just overpowering.I went out & the @#$$!!! harness lines pulled out to 30" so I couldnt use my weight.The wind picked up to 25kts & the chop was about 3' from 3 directions at once with 2' gaps..ughh! I didnt think Id get back in.Finally made it & I was rigging a smaller sail for more punishment when another guy came in & said it was the worst cofused conditions hed ever sailed in & he wasnt that desperate for a sail..I didnt bother.My arms killed me all week from having to sail in without the harness.My biceps felt like little rocks & I was on painkillers a lot..

Sailboarding can be the best ever ..or suck...[}:)]
Waiting for another beautiful sail!

nebbian
nebbian
WA
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23 Jan 2010 10:01am
Avoid anything with a strap and buckle (eg. Chinook in-flight), the strap salts up and becomes so stiff that it won't adjust.

Avoid anything with moving parts (eg. North vario), salt and sand get in there to stop things working.

About the only thing we're left with are V-jam cleats, the Dakine set I bought were useless because the sewing for the boom attachment was way too close to the edge, ripping out after just one month, making me buy some webbing to make some new attachments.

So that leaves Flying ObjectsSailworks (Edit: it was dark in the shed ), which I'm quite happy with, I'll be buying more when my current set give up:
http://www.boardcrazy.ashop.com.au/p/382902/sailworks-adjustable-harness-lines.html

As for outhaul, never had any problems with my chinook setup, my cleat doesn't corrode at all, doesn't move once I put some plumbers tape underneath the plastic clamps, and works a treat.
graceman
graceman
WA
323 posts
WA, 323 posts
23 Jan 2010 10:08am
These are the go, expensive but very good.
http://www.chinooksailing.com/products/product_info.php?cPath=6_52_53&products_id=139&osCsid=1483b1c03e667361bcc363413bd71727

I have had them for about 14 months and they have been brilliant.
If I was to pick a down side it is a possible harness line twist and being trapped under the sail, this has not happened to me yet.
These harness lines could even move me away from the adjustable hook on my waist harness to a fixed set-up.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
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23 Jan 2010 1:56pm
nebbian said...

Avoid anything with a strap and buckle (eg. Chinook in-flight), the strap salts up and becomes so stiff that it won't adjust.

Avoid anything with moving parts (eg. North vario), salt and sand get in there to stop things working.

About the only thing we're left with are V-jam cleats, the Dakine set I bought were useless because the sewing for the boom attachment was way too close to the edge, ripping out after just one month, making me buy some webbing to make some new attachments.

So that leaves Flying Objects, which I'm quite happy with, I'll be buying more when my current set give up:
http://www.boardcrazy.ashop.com.au/p/382902/sailworks-adjustable-harness-lines.html

As for outhaul, never had any problems with my chinook setup, my cleat doesn't corrode at all, doesn't move once I put some plumbers tape underneath the plastic clamps, and works a treat.

Grr They were the other ones I had to choose from but being a cheapskate I went for the others..great move that was..

Malloy
Malloy
71 posts
71 posts
25 Jan 2010 9:15pm
I think my ajustable ones are ProLimit, the clamp is plastic so it does not erode and they're fairly cheap here.

The metal ones you should keep away from :)
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
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26 Jan 2010 9:07am
Malloy said...

I think my ajustable ones are ProLimit, the clamp is plastic so it does not erode and they're fairly cheap here.

The metal ones you should keep away from :)

Next time I am going to buy something Ill research it on the forum 1st!

ducati
ducati
QLD
474 posts
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26 Jan 2010 11:06am
Hey Sbc from memory I bought the same cheep (My*t*c) adj. lines around the same time as you from the same place.

My only gripe with them is the rope stretches

But as far as the metal clamp goes it's the same as North and Prolimit and with all of them you have to aim the hose at the spring and the pin to wash them out and occasionly spray with CRC or similar and you'll never have a problem

IMHO they are still the easiest to adjust while sailing

I also have the Sailworks ones on another boom and although a great
'simple is best' system I find the harder to adjust and abit too floppy.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
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26 Jan 2010 12:16pm
ducati said...

Hey Sbc from memory I bought the same cheep (My*t*c) adj. lines around the same time as you from the same place.

My only gripe with them is the rope stretches

But as far as the metal clamp goes it's the same as North and Prolimit and with all of them you have to aim the hose at the spring and the pin to wash them out and occasionly spray with CRC or similar and you'll never have a problem

IMHO they are still the easiest to adjust while sailing

I also have the Sailworks ones on another boom and although a great
'simple is best' system I find the harder to adjust and abit too floppy.

Once they have corroded can you rejuvenate them? Ive tried scrubbing them with bi carb & hot water but no go.. Is CRC like WD 40 ..?

ducati
ducati
QLD
474 posts
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26 Jan 2010 12:05pm
Yeah WD40 all the same stuff,
try drenching the hinge/clamp/webbing with it while working the lever to try n free it up

Of course if the teeth or spring are corroded away you'll have to trash it or tie a knot in it and use them as fixed lines
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
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26 Jan 2010 7:12pm
ducati said...

Yeah WD40 all the same stuff,
try drenching the hinge/clamp/webbing with it while working the lever to try n free it up

Of course if the teeth or spring are corroded away you'll have to trash it or tie a knot in it and use them as fixed lines

Teeth are corroded..oh well ill keep taping it up below the jaws..

nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
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26 Jan 2010 7:48pm
Perhaps try CLR to remove the rust?

Just took a photo of my sailworks cleat:


No rust at all, and if they were going to rust, they would have started by now...
jh2703
jh2703
NSW
1225 posts
NSW, 1225 posts
26 Jan 2010 11:13pm
Just buy fixed lines, that'll fix your problem. I used adjustable lines when I first started but found they slipped. I just have one set of fixed lines now that I use on all of my sails, eight in total from 4.7 to 8.5. Just find the length that suits you and stick with it....Never found a need to keep adjusting once I found the sweet spot.
Don't know if it makes a difference if you use a waist or seat harness, I use a waist harness and have never tried a seat harness.

How's the Rocket going?

Cheers...Jase.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
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26 Jan 2010 8:31pm
nebbian said...

Perhaps try CLR to remove the rust?

Just took a photo of my sailworks cleat:


No rust at all, and if they were going to rust, they would have started by now...



Funny how the stainless they use for the jam-cleat doesn't rust

Nebbian, have you had to replace the tubing yet? I have a few sets of these and when I broke the tubing I used regular (PVC?) tube from the hardware store. It didn't last long and is nowhere near the strength of the original stuff.

Other than the tubing, by replacing the rope when it breaks these will last forever.

I stopped using them a while ago, I forgot why, but it was probably because of the way they swing around. Having said that my current hate for my harness lines is hooking back in during a gybe, which the sailworks ones don't do.



sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
26 Jan 2010 10:54pm
Mauisails make a good adjustable harness line. The Windsurfing Shed sells then for around $40.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
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26 Jan 2010 10:07pm
FormulaNova said...

Nebbian, have you had to replace the tubing yet? I have a few sets of these and when I broke the tubing I used regular (PVC?) tube from the hardware store. It didn't last long and is nowhere near the strength of the original stuff.



I have replaced tubing on other harness lines, the stuff to get is high pressure air hose, it will outlast the rest of your harness system by a long shot. The only problem is that it is quite stiff, perhaps heating it up in an oven or with a hairdryer might allow you to bend it to the right shape.
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
27 Jan 2010 1:14am
nebbian said...

FormulaNova said...

Nebbian, have you had to replace the tubing yet? I have a few sets of these and when I broke the tubing I used regular (PVC?) tube from the hardware store. It didn't last long and is nowhere near the strength of the original stuff.



I have replaced tubing on other harness lines, the stuff to get is high pressure air hose, it will outlast the rest of your harness system by a long shot. The only problem is that it is quite stiff, perhaps heating it up in an oven or with a hairdryer might allow you to bend it to the right shape.


I have some high pressure line sheathing for my harness lines. I put them in boiling water to set the bend. I put a rope in them before bending so they didn't flatten.

I have trapeze cleats on those and they are easy to use and reliable and durable and carefree. I think the Chinook ones Graceman pointed to have a similar cleat.

graceman
graceman
WA
323 posts
WA, 323 posts
26 Jan 2010 11:22pm
" I think the Chinook ones Graceman pointed to have a similar cleat. "


Sure do same as the 14" Dinghy trapeze cleats, so I was kinda familiar with them.
Really solid easy to use and don't gunk up in salt water
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
27 Jan 2010 9:47am
jh2703 said...

Just buy fixed lines, that'll fix your problem. I used adjustable lines when I first started but found they slipped. I just have one set of fixed lines now that I use on all of my sails, eight in total from 4.7 to 8.5. Just find the length that suits you and stick with it....Never found a need to keep adjusting once I found the sweet spot.
Don't know if it makes a difference if you use a waist or seat harness, I use a waist harness and have never tried a seat harness.

How's the Rocket going?

Cheers...Jase.


Ive got some old standard lines that I took off to fit the new ones.My boom is a bit of a pain to take the end off & be changing lines all the time.Im hoping the tape will fix the problem with the adjustables although i havent really had any decent wind to test them.Last sail was 6 -10kts . I put the lines much further forward than usual ( I was standing up near the mast ) + lengthened them to about 28"( with tape backup) so they were easier to get in & out of with my seat harness .Its the first time Ive ever felt really comfortable hooked in non planing! Why did it take me so long to work it out?
Re Rocket..havent had any decent wind! But I did enjoy cruising around in said conditions & I got 1 planing run at the end so its fullfilling the use i bought it for.Its just that its SO MUCH FUN when the wind gets 10kts + that I just wish it would #@#$ blow!! I want to see what my top end range is before I find the chop makes it too big to be fun.

sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
27 Jan 2010 9:52am
FormulaNova said...

nebbian said...

Perhaps try CLR to remove the rust?

Just took a photo of my sailworks cleat:


No rust at all, and if they were going to rust, they would have started by now...



Funny how the stainless they use for the jam-cleat doesn't rust

Nebbian, have you had to replace the tubing yet? I have a few sets of these and when I broke the tubing I used regular (PVC?) tube from the hardware store. It didn't last long and is nowhere near the strength of the original stuff.

Other than the tubing, by replacing the rope when it breaks these will last forever.

I stopped using them a while ago, I forgot why, but it was probably because of the way they swing around. Having said that my current hate for my harness lines is hooking back in during a gybe, which the sailworks ones don't do.





" hooking back in during a gybe" yep I can identify with that.I stuff my gybes by hanging back & not getting forward enough through memories of hooking in. I thought I might start using my thumb to push the lines forward as I enter a gybe to see if that keeps them out of the way.Havent had a chance to try it yet.Ill probably fall in trying to do it..
Re " rust" its not rust..theyve anodised..? corroded , got a white gunky effect on them.

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