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carvegybe88
carvegybe88
TAS
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4 Jan 2010 12:00pm
[ok narrowed it down to 4 boards 2009 jp xcite ride FWS, 2009 fanatic hawk, 2010 fanatic shark, 2009 fanatic eagle or 2010 jp funride. All the same price which one is best/should i get ]

Hey guys, i'm 15 and i've been windsurfing for around 2 months now and loving it. I do it just about every day as i live next to the water. This means i've progressed quite quickly and i'm now riding in around 15-20knot winds, however my arms were getting tired quickly in this wind so i've just bought a second hand dakine T4 harness. I though riding in the harness would come naturally however after 3 days of trying i find that it has a completly different feel and i tend to get catapulted quite a bit . I've currently got an old long board but soon i'm investing in a short board. Just wondering how long it normally takes to get used to the harness and if you guys have any tips for me so that i may spend longer on the water doing this awesome sport
windgeorge
windgeorge
WA
108 posts
WA, 108 posts
4 Jan 2010 9:13am
best advice i can give you if possible go into your local shop . How long are your harness lines ,what height is your boom. Are you in the straps. cheers
carvegybe88
carvegybe88
TAS
19 posts
TAS, 19 posts
4 Jan 2010 12:26pm
i'm about 173cm, my harness lines are 24 inch don't have straps on the board but i can get to where they are supposed to be don't no how high my boom is, i really don't no the distances to set everything at
ginger pom
ginger pom
VIC
1746 posts
VIC, 1746 posts
4 Jan 2010 12:37pm
ask someone who's a similar size at your local beach to have a go on your kit and let you know how it's set up

catapulting is normal for a little while but you'll be over it quickly
h20
h20
VIC
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h20 h20
VIC, 458 posts
4 Jan 2010 12:55pm
you would find that if you had straps life would be much safer... need to really lean in and take force on the lower back this means you need counter pressure against feet. phsyics says if this isnt there you will go over the falls. happens to a lot of us on real windy days if you dont get into straps quick enough.

Agree... look at harness lines and line position. I got advice last week to change my harness line position and life is much better.

You will also find its not all or nothing when in harness lines ie arm use vs harnesses. use your arms/hands as shock absorbers to get through gusts and lulls.

It is only on solid consistent days that you can get away with using harness only and the lines need to be perfectly balanced to the sail for this.

As you get better reading the wind on the water and the feel on your arms life will get better..... this takes time so just get out there and spend time in the harness.

It is a little bit (or a lot of) confidence so just have the balls to get into harness and then experiment as to how much to need to use body and hands. Some times youll go over sometimes you'll fall backwards but the balance and feel will see this ahppen less and less.
carvegybe88
carvegybe88
TAS
19 posts
TAS, 19 posts
4 Jan 2010 1:03pm
thanks for that advice can't wait to get a new board!!! by the way is it easy to unhook the harness in the sail falls on you and your in the water
Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
4019 posts
WA, 4019 posts
4 Jan 2010 10:17am
carvegybe88 said...

thanks for that advice can't wait to get a new board!!! by the way is it easy to unhook the harness in the sail falls on you and your in the water


Usually it unhooks as you fall but if it doesn't, sweep your arm down across your body and into the harness line and this should push the line out of the hook. If it's twisted you may need to use your hands.

I agree that footstraps make catapulting much less likely.
24" lines sound a bit short for a beginner of your height.
carvegybe88
carvegybe88
TAS
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4 Jan 2010 1:22pm
yeah i reckon they would help because when i get a strong gust of wind all my weight moves onto my toes. thanks for the advice
pweedas
pweedas
WA
4642 posts
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4 Jan 2010 10:34am
Catapaults are just par for the course when you first start with the harness.
It's what makes it all just ripping good fun!

Fortunately, they don't last long because the human condition natuarally learns what situations end in disaster and automatically acts to avoid them in future.
You will be over them in a week or two, even with no footstraps.

Try and keep the mast raked back a bit. The more vertical it is, then the easier it is to catapault. If the mast is angled back a bit it has to lift you up before it can throw you over the front. It still can but it gives you more control over stopping it.

Happy stacks!.
carvegybe88
carvegybe88
TAS
19 posts
TAS, 19 posts
4 Jan 2010 1:50pm
thanks for all the advice. one a different note what would be a good board for me to buy. i'm open to anything under 2,000. it needs to have enough control for me to begin with as this will be my first short board, but i also need something that i can progress on as i don't think i'll be getting another one after this anytime soon
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
4 Jan 2010 2:17pm
What do you weigh?
Can you waterstart yet or still uphauling?
What sort of water will you mainly be sailing on?
Do you have modern sails?
Leman
Leman
VIC
672 posts
VIC, 672 posts
4 Jan 2010 2:27pm
If your were just starting people might suggest wide beginner boards like the Starboard "Go" or "Start", but from what you've said, sounds like you gets tons of time on the water and are progressing nicely. I would suggest go the smallest board that you can still confortably uphaul. So obviously much will depend on your weight. Eg. at 90kg a 130litre board is super comfy to uphaul, while a 110 is possible but frustratingly shakey. This way as your skill increases you won't be left with an overly large board while wanting to go into more challenging conditions, it will allow you to take your time learning to water-start while still having the security of being able to uphaul. Eventually you may even want to go smaller but this board will still be excellent for light to medium wind days so will never be obsolete.

As for type of board, look for the word "freeride". Names like JP x-cite, Starboard Carve or Futura (heaps more by other companies but I am not that familiar with them). Freeride are pretty much your all round short board, they are good at everything but masters of nothing. They are the best board for just hoping on and having fun in the most conditions. Good for just blasting, chop hopping and small wave riding and jumping. To begin I suggest avoid pure wave, slalom or formula boards.

No doubt the others will be able to give you other good boards to research. Check out the websites and read some reviews. Oh I also suggest buy 2nd hand. You'll get more for your buck and the likelihood of you smashing the nose of your new board is extremely high with all the catapulting so may want to invest in a nose protector or glue an ugly pool noodle on the nose.

Good Luck.

PS. Might want to let people know your weight and what conditions you normally sail in, eg. choppy, flat, gusty, etc.
Nvm I see Easty asked those same questions 10 mins before me
carvegybe88
carvegybe88
TAS
19 posts
TAS, 19 posts
4 Jan 2010 2:39pm
oh cool i weigh 62kg i have never tried to water start have no idea how to. normaly sail in choppy conditions nothing too heavy. yeah i have modern sails ummm second hand is hard because i live in tassie and most of the good boards are on the mainland and most people don't wanty to post and then there's the fact that i can't see them before buying. from what you say it seems as if the noes break easily is that only if you run into something exuse my ignorence but my long board is so tough i couldn't imagine it any other way
FlickySpinny
FlickySpinny
WA
657 posts
WA, 657 posts
4 Jan 2010 12:21pm
Would recommend getting some longer lines to start with - definitely out towards 30 inches... even if you borrow them for a bit. Should give you a bit of time prior to catapult. 24s are a bit short to be learning with in my opinion.

For boards, Wind Surf N Snow in Sydney have a large range of second hand boards that they post - I've bought from them before and been pleased.

www.windsurfnsnow.com.au/test_site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=99&Itemid=103

Now, I'm not an expert at all on the brands listed here, but I think you want something that is about 110 litres and nice and easy to sail.

My pick from this list is the Bic Techno 112 - does anyone else have any recommendations?

carvegybe88
carvegybe88
TAS
19 posts
TAS, 19 posts
4 Jan 2010 3:41pm
thanks i shall buy some new ones, looks like a good website
carvegybe88
carvegybe88
TAS
19 posts
TAS, 19 posts
4 Jan 2010 4:20pm
i've just looked at the fanatic range and i'm thinking the 09 modle of the shark or the eagle because there 25% off, has anyone got/tried these boards love some info and which one is better because they're the same price
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
4 Jan 2010 7:37pm
Didn't realise you were in Tassie, whereabouts?
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
4 Jan 2010 6:42pm
i as thinking shark would beat eagle any day, being that ahrks are very good in the water.

but then realised that eagles catch fish with their tallons.

so i changed my mind and now i think eagle.

my apolgies in advance for being a smart arse but my neural firewall is dissabled.
Scully
Scully
WA
412 posts
WA, 412 posts
4 Jan 2010 7:34pm
+1

I dont know as much as most guys about the sport, but i do know handing a brand new board to somebody that has just discovered catapualting is not the smartest idea.
CarveGybe88, catapualts can damage your board, some new footstraps are not going to be a quick heal to this problem. The only way your going to prevent catapaulting is buy learning from your old catapaults.

So i would say, dont spend the extra $500+ on a brand new board, find a 2nd hand board thats ruff on the edges but will do the job. And wont give you a headache when you destroy the nose.
jh2703
jh2703
NSW
1225 posts
NSW, 1225 posts
4 Jan 2010 10:44pm
My second board was a Fanatic shark 145L, and it was and still is an awesome board. Don't use it much these days as I crave high winds and small boards as you will soon...but I can still use it for a light wind cruzer. I had my first board, a 180L Fanatic Viper for about 3 months before I moved to the Shark. The move to the smaller board with no dagger board was not that hard and I picked up heaps really quckly, All the basics like foot straps, harness, gybes and catapults were perfected on this board. The Fanatics are good boards and very strong, mine survived many catapults with no major damage. 3rd season in I still have Fanatics in my quiver, both freestyle wave boards, 113L and 95L and i'm looking for an 85L to complete my quiver. You will be looking for something smaller than a 145, I think at your weight 120L will still be big, see if someone will let you have a go on their 90-110L board and see how you go....Go with the Fanatics you won't be sorry.

If you want to know anything else about the Shark PM me and i'll give you a full run down...Cheers Jase.
carvegybe88
carvegybe88
TAS
19 posts
TAS, 19 posts
4 Jan 2010 10:58pm
thanks so much everyone this is great help. the fanatics sound great and i'm now also considering the jp xcite by the way easty i live on a far right next to pit water (the water behind 7 mile beach) and it's tarrific, also been spending most of my summer holidays at my shack at dodges ferry how bout you and by the way where do most of the windsurfers hang out not really many of them around dodges
Squid Lips
Squid Lips
WA
708 posts
WA, 708 posts
4 Jan 2010 8:10pm
Given your size and age I'd say learn to water start on your current board and get comfy using harness and footstraps then get something about 100L and over 60cm wide. It'll be super floaty at your weight and you'll progress faster than on a huge barge. Get something cheap and second hand because you will be putting plenty of dings in it.
Roar
Roar
NSW
471 posts
NSW, 471 posts
4 Jan 2010 11:12pm
While waiting for a new board i suggest making sure your harness lines are close togeather and slightly forward of cneter balance.

what i mean by this is that find the position on the boom where you can hook into the harness and let go with both hands and the sail will remain in the same position.

once you have this then move them an little bit forward so that you have to keep a bit of back hand pressure to keep the sail in. This will allow ya to release the back hand easier in the gusts and the harness will tend to pull the mast in towards you rather than away from you, depowering the sail rather than catapulting ya around the front.

Later once you get straps on a board you can pull the lines back a bit more and release the mast out which will give you more power but tends to make your front hand do more work.
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
4 Jan 2010 10:14pm
Scully said...

+1

I dont know as much as most guys about the sport, but i do know handing a brand new board to somebody that has just discovered catapualting is not the smartest idea.
CarveGybe88, catapualts can damage your board, some new footstraps are not going to be a quick heal to this problem. The only way your going to prevent catapaulting is buy learning from your old catapaults.

So i would say, dont spend the extra $500+ on a brand new board, find a 2nd hand board thats ruff on the edges but will do the job. And wont give you a headache when you destroy the nose.


Wise words.

I think 30" harness lines will be too long. Its a good idea to get some lines that are adjustable, not necessarily "on the fly" adjustable, rather the ones that tie off through a cringle so you can make them shorter/longer with a bit of fiddling.
Like these ones - http://shop.windfanshk.com/cgi-bin/hk/cart.cgi?action=show&product=63

As far as fit is concerned current received wisdom has the boom height between clavicle and chin height when mounted on the board. The actual height though depends on your harness hook height and arm length. The goal is to be comfortable blasting along relaxed and as far from the booms as your arms allow while hanging a lot of weight in the harness.

Guy Cribb has some fit tips that may suit you -
www.guycribb.com/windsurfing_technique_holiday_DVD_0076v01.htm

carvegybe88
carvegybe88
TAS
19 posts
TAS, 19 posts
4 Jan 2010 11:17pm
Squid Lips said...

Given your size and age I'd say learn to water start on your current board and get comfy using harness and footstraps then get something about 100L and over 60cm wide. It'll be super floaty at your weight and you'll progress faster than on a huge barge. Get something cheap and second hand because you will be putting plenty of dings in it.


it seems as though everyone thinks i'll be putting dings in my board, i haven't put one in my current board yet, so are the new boards more fragile or am i heading towards bigger falls
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
4 Jan 2010 11:25pm
Scully said...

+1

I dont know as much as most guys about the sport, but i do know handing a brand new board to somebody that has just discovered catapualting is not the smartest idea.
CarveGybe88, catapualts can damage your board, some new footstraps are not going to be a quick heal to this problem. The only way your going to prevent catapaulting is buy learning from your old catapaults.

So i would say, dont spend the extra $500+ on a brand new board, find a 2nd hand board thats ruff on the edges but will do the job. And wont give you a headache when you destroy the nose.

Sorry to hijack this thread but Im just about to get a new board & since Ive been trying the guy cribb more upright sailing style I tend to catapult a bit & Im paranoid about destroying the thing..how do you avoid damage cheaply.. ( ok smartasses dont say dont catapult..)

sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
4 Jan 2010 11:29pm
carvegybe88 said...

Squid Lips said...

Given your size and age I'd say learn to water start on your current board and get comfy using harness and footstraps then get something about 100L and over 60cm wide. It'll be super floaty at your weight and you'll progress faster than on a huge barge. Get something cheap and second hand because you will be putting plenty of dings in it.


it seems as though everyone thinks i'll be putting dings in my board, i haven't put one in my current board yet, so are the new boards more fragile or am i heading towards bigger falls

From what I gather the newer boards are more fragile + they are shorter so whereas on the older boards if you catapulted the mast wouldnt do any damage with these ones they are so short that the mast/ boom is just the right length to demolish the nose..I have never hurt any of my boards from catapulting but mine are 2002 / 1996 models.

WA Surf
WA Surf
WA
336 posts
WA, 336 posts
4 Jan 2010 8:36pm
if you would like to demo either we have both in the shop
carvegybe88
carvegybe88
TAS
19 posts
TAS, 19 posts
4 Jan 2010 11:40pm
WA Surf said...

if you would like to demo either we have both in the shop


might be a bit far i'm from tassie
WA Surf
WA Surf
WA
336 posts
WA, 336 posts
4 Jan 2010 8:46pm
well there good for long distance runs
jh2703
jh2703
NSW
1225 posts
NSW, 1225 posts
5 Jan 2010 12:01am
As much as I talked up the Fanatics I have a 120L JP Xcite ride Pro edition which I got for my third board. I use this board as my every day board that I use on my local fresh water lake. It's a very good board, just plug and play. They are not the best boards to gybe with you really have to be firm with it but it jumps well, cuts through chop like it's not even there and you can get some good speed out of them 30 knots no problem and that's with the 3 strap wave setup, I'm yet to put the out bound straps on to see what she can really do. The only problems with JP boards is they have a very soft nose, my board has had more nose jobs than Paris Hilton. I don't catapult much anymore but when I do it results in another nose repair. When I head to the coast I go to my Fanatics, fast boards, super ride and strong. I don't think my JP would make it through to many botched wave rides. Even though I've ordered yet another JP, I'm going to switch back to fanatics next season..Good boards and great value for money.

But the JP boards are nice
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