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Chef

VIC

111 posts

Chef

VIC, 111 posts

27 Jun 2007 10:17pm

having just come down from a go 165lt( loved this board as a starting point) to a starboard aero 127(learning to love this board!) i have a couple of questions
1,have put jezs knob on, as to crunch the nose would wreck me

and give the wife to much ammo about spending to much on a hobbie.Any real negatives to useing jezs knob?
2,this is i suppose a personal choice, but would like some other thoughts-back foot or front foot first in straps just before planing?

cheers

Sailhack

VIC

5000 posts

Sailhack

VIC, 5000 posts

27 Jun 2007 10:29pm

Thought you were working tonight CHEF!!!

My 2 cents.....

1. Stubs toe.

(mainly mine, when I borrowed it)

2. You put your front foot in....then your front foot out.....your front foot in......& you shake-it all about. (you know the rest)

Chef

VIC

111 posts

Chef

VIC, 111 posts

27 Jun 2007 10:36pm

sailhack have seen your toes, with that amount off hair its amazing you felt any pain at all
ps thanks for the intelligent response

decrepit

12872 posts

decrepit

WA, 12872 posts

27 Jun 2007 8:41pm

The only downside I've heard of, is occasionally ripping the mastbox out. But people who're fans of the knob dispute this.
If I'm already on the board, I normally put front foot in first.
If I'm waterstarting I put back foot in the strap, if it's strong enough to go straight onto the plane, that's where it stays.

Mr. No-one

921 posts

Mr. No-one

WA, 921 posts

27 Jun 2007 8:53pm

A to Q1: yes, his misses gets jealous, but seriously, I haven't seen them used but it couldn't hurt even if for piece of mind only.

A to Q2: I go front foot 1st to keep the weight forward and carry speed, if you go back foot 1st it tends to stall the board when you lift your front foot.

I'm sure you and your knob will be very happy together

Sailhack

VIC

5000 posts

Sailhack

VIC, 5000 posts

27 Jun 2007 10:57pm

Jez just rang.....he wants it back!!!

TimB

260 posts

TimB

WA, 260 posts

27 Jun 2007 8:58pm

I've used a Jez knob and it seemed to work but the mast will get stuck on it when flipping rig. Just check it is positioned right before going out as I came close to disaster not having setup correctly.

As for front foot back foot, go front foot first to stop from stalling board and rounding up too much.

fordyD

NSW

17 posts

fordyD

NSW, 17 posts

27 Jun 2007 10:59pm

If she's (the Board) got a short track, you can't get all the way into the box.

Sailhack

VIC

5000 posts

Sailhack

VIC, 5000 posts

27 Jun 2007 11:02pm

Ooooooh!!!! 2 GOLD STARS...

Chef

VIC

111 posts

Chef

VIC, 111 posts

27 Jun 2007 11:13pm

decrepit,ripping the mastbox out seems like a fairly large problem

thanks everyone for the input , going to a smaller board is certinaly a big learning curve.
Mr no-one , i look forward to many years of useing my knob to its full extent

Mr. No-one

921 posts

Mr. No-one

WA, 921 posts

27 Jun 2007 9:34pm

Well Chef, that's what I like to hear, positive attitude, fantastic!

If you think this board is sweet just wait until you get powered up on a sinker at sandy point, it just gets better

essedon

TAS

73 posts

essedon

TAS, 73 posts

27 Jun 2007 11:57pm

Jezz s Knob can get in the way when pulling mast accross board on waterstarts but good 4 saving nose of board from being rearranged

Pugwash

7733 posts

Pugwash

WA, 7733 posts

27 Jun 2007 10:24pm

This topic has come up a few times... search and you will find more comments... I was going to search, but lost intere....

jord070

1109 posts

jord070

WA, 1109 posts

27 Jun 2007 11:17pm

i dont like using knobs, infact i wont, it is much easier to fix a stuffed nose, than a completely f***ed up mast box. i would go for some boom bras, i haven't had a problem yet, and i have had some pretty hard slams. but one of the worst inventions i think that has been ever mad is the knob things because it wrecks your mast track and by doing that stuffs your board.

Crash Landing

NSW

1173 posts

Crash Landing

NSW, 1173 posts

28 Jun 2007 9:37am

Front Foot.

Jez's knob would be fine unless you wave sail (my opinion) as i find it slows waterstarting - not ideal when a set is coming in!

DavMen

NSW

1510 posts

DavMen

NSW, 1510 posts

28 Jun 2007 10:14am

Hi Chef

1.Jezz's knob is OK I used it for a season or two when i was getting reguarly katapulted some time ago. After two expensive nose repairs it was in my opinion worth a try. It never pulled out my mast box, and I had a cheap Bic board (most suscptible) and never another nose repair. I think the mast box rip out is mostly anecdotal - I can't recall anybody on this forum actually having it happen to them!
FordyD and Essedon have valid comments.

There are other options such as Nose Pads, and I've seen a boom Bra that extends down the mast in a 'T' shape to pad out the mast for another 30odd cm's.

2. FFF

Cheers
DavMen

JEZ

395 posts

JEZ

WA, 395 posts

28 Jun 2007 12:17pm

Everytime this discussion comes up someone mentions the issue of mast track damage.
For the record not one single problem of mast track damage has ever been reported from using the Jez's Knob Nose Protector. An unsubstantiated story was started by certain European companies trying to sell an alternative product to sway buyers. Uniformed net groupies continue to spread the rumour that they heard from someone who heard fom someone who heard from.......etc, etc.
The protector is not 100% fool proof but if it protects your board in just one occasion it will save you at least $100 in repairs and lost time on the water. It is not for everyone nor for every board type but it can help. Whether it is worth using is for each sailor to decide what nose damage prevention is worth to them.

Cheers
Jez
2ndwind sailboards

Juice

280 posts

Juice

WA, 280 posts

28 Jun 2007 12:35pm

quote:
Originally posted by JEZ

Everytime this discussion comes up someone mentions the issue of mast track damage.
For the record not one single problem of mast track damage has ever been reported from using the Jez's Knob Nose Protector. An unsubstantiated story was started by certain European companies trying to sell an alternative product to sway buyers. Uniformed net groupies continue to spread the rumour that they heard from someone who heard fom someone who heard from.......etc, etc.
The protector is not 100% fool proof but if it protects your board in just one occasion it will save you at least $100 in repairs and lost time on the water. It is not for everyone nor for every board type but it can help. Whether it is worth using is for each sailor to decide what nose damage prevention is worth to them.

Cheers
Jez
2ndwind sailboards

I Second this, The mast track thing is an URBAN MYTH I do a lot of repairs and have never seen a mast track riped out. I have repaired plenty of broken noses!

mineral1

4564 posts

mineral1

WA, 4564 posts

28 Jun 2007 1:37pm

quote:
Originally posted by JEZ

Everytime this discussion comes up someone mentions the issue of mast track damage.
For the record not one single problem of mast track damage has ever been reported from using the Jez's Knob Nose Protector. An unsubstantiated story was started by certain European companies trying to sell an alternative product to sway buyers. Uniformed net groupies continue to spread the rumour that they heard from someone who heard fom someone who heard from.......etc, etc.
The protector is not 100% fool proof but if it protects your board in just one occasion it will save you at least $100 in repairs and lost time on the water. It is not for everyone nor for every board type but it can help. Whether it is worth using is for each sailor to decide what nose damage prevention is worth to them.

Cheers
Jez
2ndwind sailboards

Jez, saved mine a number of times

And who said its only $100 to repair

more like $150+

then again I am a rough bugger on gear.

Chef

VIC

111 posts

Chef

VIC, 111 posts

28 Jun 2007 5:59pm

mr no-one , at a tick over 100kg the 127 aero is almost a dam sinker now

but your right ,the difference between the go and aero is amazing ,cant imagine using any smaller though

bubs

924 posts

bubs

SA, 924 posts

28 Jun 2007 7:31pm

My dad and i do all our own repairs now we been showed so it dun cost us virtually anything. I have seen a mast track ripped out after a weekend which was like 30 knots. Not sure if he was using the nob or the roll ball thing, but it was ripped out. Just thought i would add that in.

Bubs

P.C_simpson

1492 posts

P.C_simpson

WA, 1492 posts

29 Jun 2007 9:08am

Definately front foot first, if you feel yourself going over the front, "DO NOT SHEET OUT" sheet your back hand it as hard as you can, it will spin you off the breeze like a forward and put you under the sail without the board and don't hurt as much, i did say as much, you and your sail should miss the nose of your board everytime, i've only ever damaged the nose of a board once, in the car park....... jez's knobs are good but may stress your track.

jonnywinner

NSW

19 posts

jonnywinner

NSW, 19 posts

29 Jun 2007 11:09am

Hi I am not an engineer, but think about the mechanical forces acting on your knob, it effectively acts as fulcrum turning the mast into one giant level ..... absolutely perfect for ripping mast track out!!! I have heard of this happening but never actually seen it (you know a friend of a friend and all that) I would if you are concerned actually rather fit a nose protecter directly to the board .... I have seen these in action and they do appear to absorb shock and damage quite well, in the same way the bumpers on your car work.

grumplestiltskin

2331 posts

grumplestiltskin

WA, 2331 posts

29 Jun 2007 9:28am

quote:
Originally posted by Juice

I Second this, The mast track thing is an URBAN MYTH I do a lot of repairs and have never seen a mast track riped out. I have repaired plenty of broken noses!

Actually nothing to do with the Knob, but I have seen a mast track ripped out. It was at the Cervantes speed weekend in March this year.
One of the guys had a particularly nasty catapult after catching the rail on a piece of chop. Really whipped him over big time and when he managed to come spluttering to the surface the rig had ripped completely out of the board, destroying the mast track.

Funniest thing was it was his wifes board and she was more concerned about the damage it had done to her board than the potential damage to her husbands head

Mr. No-one

921 posts

Mr. No-one

WA, 921 posts

29 Jun 2007 2:10pm

Has the engineer ever tried levering a floating object using a flexible pole off a rubber cylinder

Nice fishy Chef.

Chef

VIC

111 posts

Chef

VIC, 111 posts

29 Jun 2007 6:21pm

mr no-one, much prefer them on the back lawn than in the ocean(sorry to all the fish lovers out there).As for using the knob over a nose protector,was given the knob for nothing when i got my new board(cheapskate eh)

bubs

924 posts

bubs

SA, 924 posts

29 Jun 2007 6:17pm

With the nose protectors, depending on what type you get, a guy at our local store said that if u use just a normal plastic one, you can hit the board realy hard and crack it underneith the nose protector and not even know that you done it. I wasn't realy prepared to take that risk.

My dad bought a fenatic roll ball deflector thing because he was denting his board a lot. Most useless piece of windsurfing equipment we ever got. It just deflected the mast into the side of the board. I'm asuming this is simuilar to the knob thing.

As of yet i havn't dented a board but dad has a few times. Not since we have taught him better technique and what not though. So i think you just need to get comfortable in the straps and then you wont get catepulted into the nose as easily. Front foot first then the tail doesn't sink. I'm usually in the straps before im planing but i'm very light (65) so not sure if that would work for you.

Hope this helps
Bubs

NotWal

QLD

7436 posts

NotWal

QLD, 7436 posts

29 Jun 2007 7:48pm

I ripped the mast track out of a Bic (Tiga if the truth be told). But It didnt have a "deviator" or "Jez's knob" or anything like that. It was just a garden variety catapult. Those aluminium mast tracks used by Bic are seriously dubious. I wouldn't own another one.

Juice

280 posts

Juice

WA, 280 posts

29 Jun 2007 7:08pm

I Second this, The mast track thing is an URBAN MYTH I do a lot of repairs and have never seen a mast track riped out. I have repaired plenty of broken noses!

I didn't quite word this very well I'll try again I have not seen a mast track ripped out due to jez's nob!
Yes I have seen a mast track ripped out.
When someone says "I have heard" or "I was told" then that is only HERESAY, which is a bit different to actually observing an event happen, as when you have seen it you know for sure that it is true.

Ah forgot to mention I've heard that if you sail all day with your eyes closed it gets windier for the next 2 days. Honest it's true someone told me!

WINDY MILLER

3183 posts

WINDY MILLER

WA, 3183 posts

29 Jun 2007 7:26pm

time for a beer bj

Sailhack

VIC

5000 posts

Sailhack

VIC, 5000 posts

29 Jun 2007 10:43pm

quote:
Originally posted by WINDY MILLER

time for a beer bj

Windy....Is that a "beer" & a "BJ"

You must have a gooooood missus!

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