how to tell how old a sail design is?

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gofaster
gofaster
105 posts
105 posts
4 May 2017 5:14am
Is it possible just by looking at a sail whether it is the twisting leech design or not? ie a "new' style sail that suits "modern" boards with the mast track back compared to the old ones.
Tardy
Tardy
5337 posts
5337 posts
4 May 2017 5:46am
Send a picture in ,we will tell you
joe windsurf
joe windsurf
1482 posts
1482 posts
4 May 2017 6:27am
does it smell like fish ?
Sparky
Sparky
WA
1122 posts
WA, 1122 posts
4 May 2017 7:14am
It's hard with Ezzy. They look like they were designed in the 80s but they are 2017 models.
(oops, did I say something wrong?)
Magic Ride
Magic Ride
719 posts
719 posts
4 May 2017 7:57am
Sparky said..
It's hard with Ezzy. They look like they were designed in the 80s but they are 2017 models.
(oops, did I say something wrong?)


Ezzy sails do have an old school outline style to them. I noticed the leach never changes. Always a straight edge, unlike many other brands where the leach has a different shape for ever year. But for Ezzy, maybe it's because of what works, and they don't want to change that aspect of it.
Magic Ride
Magic Ride
719 posts
719 posts
4 May 2017 8:00am
joe windsurf said..
does it smell like fish ?


Fishy fins!!
Jupiter
Jupiter
2156 posts
2156 posts
4 May 2017 12:10pm
I think I may cop some flakes here. I always believe sail designs are quite simple. You need a curve built in for pressure differential. Then you need some battens to make it stable.

After that, you can have variations on sail clothe and colours. Sure, some designs have various advanced features like twist control, shape control cuts, etc. Personally, I don't feel nor being able to appreciate the extra efforts that gone into the "advanced" designs.

Perhaps these new designs do make a difference of a couple of knots in speed. That again is a difficult one. Unless 2 sailors are sailing in exactly the same ideal conditions, ie. wind, very flat water, free of interference from other elements, then a precise result can be had. Otherwise I believe there is a lot of subjective evaluations, and much marketing hypes to stretch the story further.
Al Planet
Al Planet
TAS
1548 posts
TAS, 1548 posts
4 May 2017 4:31pm
Would any of the older pre twist designs still be in existence? I guess E bay is an amazing source of ancient useless stuff. The bigger risk would be in buying some 20 year old multicam race sail.
gofaster
gofaster
105 posts
105 posts
5 May 2017 5:00am
So.anything with fluro is "old" ?
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
5 May 2017 7:44am
gofaster said..
So.anything with fluro is "old" ?



Not necessarily... sometimes everything old can is new again...
MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
1509 posts
VIC, 1509 posts
5 May 2017 11:08am
The colours of the current season's GA (formerly Gaastra) sails I was using in Maui just before Easter, (before I broke my foot and was sidelined) were nearly identical to those of a 4.2 Gaastra I had about 25 years ago. Pink and yellow- does it ever go out of style, or does it just take 25 years to come around into fashion again???
gofaster
gofaster
105 posts
105 posts
7 May 2017 6:32pm
Maybe in general newer design sails have a wider head - longer head batten, and more roach?
Maybe more luff curve?
Is there a rough date that separates old from new?
I have new sails but have been looking for (cheap) sails to fill some gaps, but if they are too old designwise then there's no point.
joe windsurf
joe windsurf
1482 posts
1482 posts
7 May 2017 6:54pm
perhaps it is about time that sails AND boards have the year of manufacture on them ?? (almost a pun there)
MauiSails have started naming their TR race sails based on the year
TR-1, TR-2 ... TR 2016, TR 2017
model name could also be used to give the year - if the year was not incorporated in the name
Jupiter
Jupiter
2156 posts
2156 posts
7 May 2017 11:11pm
gofaster said..
Maybe in general newer design sails have a wider head - longer head batten, and more roach?
Maybe more luff curve?



I remember an older Neil Pryde sail did have a wider head, with quite short boom. The theory was that you will need all the power you can get at the top where the clean air is. Then not long after, the bottom became wider. The theory was that you close the gap between the board and the sail. Not only that, it would be easier on your hands because the pivoting moment is lower.

Then many years and many variance later, I have seen sails with wider head and shorter boom. it was 2016.
sailquik
sailquik
VIC
6171 posts
VIC, 6171 posts
8 May 2017 9:13pm
Are you asking about Freerace and Race sails, or Wave and Freewave sails? It makes a big difference.

The former have changed a lot over the last 5 to 10 years, the later, not so much.....
eyeMhardcore
eyeMhardcore
WA
82 posts
WA, 82 posts
8 May 2017 8:09pm



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poehaaa
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