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gofaster
gofaster
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105 posts
8 Apr 2019 6:13pm
I had a stack three weeks ago and got hit (I think) by the boom head in the side ribs near my armpit. Very painful. I was wearing a kayaking pfd, but the boom still got me. Any suggestions of a pfd or impact vest that would protect this area?. I've seen pictures of the Mystic block impact vest but not able to inspect.
Stuthepirate
Stuthepirate
SA
3591 posts
SA, 3591 posts
8 Apr 2019 8:05pm
Not without losing mobility and walking around carrying buckets.
srtgumbee
srtgumbee
112 posts
112 posts
9 Apr 2019 11:13am
Its been a while since I have stacked at full speed... but I know its on the cards.
I have not got an impact vest but will possibly will get one of these for the winter storms:

forward-wip.co.nz/en/4-50n-impact-vest.html

Its also 50n buoyancy so I won't have to keep hiding from the local harbormaster
BSN101
BSN101
WA
2390 posts
WA, 2390 posts
9 Apr 2019 4:34pm
srtgumbee said..
Its been a while since I have stacked at full speed... but I know its on the cards.
I have not got an impact vest but will possibly will get one of these for the winter storms:

forward-wip.co.nz/en/4-50n-impact-vest.html

Its also 50n buoyancy so I won't have to keep hiding from the local harbormaster


Looks like a great vest. Flare pockets too.
BSN101
BSN101
WA
2390 posts
WA, 2390 posts
9 Apr 2019 4:34pm
srtgumbee said..
Its been a while since I have stacked at full speed... but I know its on the cards.
I have not got an impact vest but will possibly will get one of these for the winter storms:

forward-wip.co.nz/en/4-50n-impact-vest.html

Its also 50n buoyancy so I won't have to keep hiding from the local harbormaster


Looks like a great vest. Flare pockets too.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
9 Apr 2019 4:42pm
does anything have padding in the armpits / upper side chest? I think not....

keep ya wings in.....
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
9 Apr 2019 5:54pm
gofaster said..
I had a stack three weeks ago and got hit (I think) by the boom head in the side ribs near my armpit. Very painful. I was wearing a kayaking pfd, but the boom still got me. Any suggestions of a pfd or impact vest that would protect this area?. I've seen pictures of the Mystic block impact vest but not able to inspect.


What sort of stack?

If they are catapults, in my experience the best way to avoid injury was to keep holding onto the boom and you pivot over the front, which keeps everything away from hitting you. Problem solved.
gofaster
gofaster
105 posts
105 posts
10 Apr 2019 4:26am
yep, a catapult. From long ago (broken rib) I've learnt to always keep my arms straight and hold onto the boom. but somehow the boom still got me this time. At least i think that is what happened. I did wonder if it was a muscle strain. The pain was/is immense. No bruise.
mikey100
mikey100
QLD
1109 posts
QLD, 1109 posts
10 Apr 2019 6:59am
Same happened to me 6wks ago. Result... 3 broken ribs (9, 10, 11), and I WAS wearing an Ion 'Collision' vest. Will be sticking to my ProLimit weight jacket in future.
Farang
Farang
43 posts
43 posts
10 Apr 2019 7:14pm
mikey100 said..
Same happened to me 6wks ago. Result... 3 broken ribs (9, 10, 11), and I WAS wearing an Ion 'Collision' vest. Will be sticking to my ProLimit weight jacket in future.



Which model of Ion Collision vest did you wear? Ion Collision SELECT 2018 (green colour) Vest is nice, but Select 2019 (blue colour) is BAD as it has only 1cm thick padding but 2018 model has 2cm thick padding. Thats why I returned back the 2019 model and ordered another 2018 model vest.
remery
remery
WA
3709 posts
WA, 3709 posts
10 Apr 2019 8:16pm
For some reason I tend to hang onto the boom when catapulted. I'm thinking now that maybe that's a good thing.
John340
John340
QLD
3410 posts
QLD, 3410 posts
11 Apr 2019 7:12am
remery said..
For some reason I tend to hang onto the boom when catapulted. I'm thinking now that maybe that's a good thing.


Hang on and sheet in with your back hand. It initiates a barrel roll and throws the rider away from all the hard bits (boom and board)
olskool
olskool
QLD
2462 posts
QLD, 2462 posts
11 Apr 2019 7:44am
^^ Yep im with John340 on this have had many epic stacks. When i feel im about to catapult i sheet in n even give a lil jump WITH the catapult force. Seems to spin me over n away to leeward from board. I land with my back to the water in a fairly safe position. With no damage to me or my gear.
ka43
ka43
NSW
3101 posts
NSW, 3101 posts
11 Apr 2019 8:15am
All well and good but what about the violent ones when you just dont see it coming??
Happens so fast you have no time to think "Hang on, I reckon I better hang onto to the boom and do a graceful pirouette" while smiling for your Gopro.
Imax1
Imax1
QLD
4937 posts
QLD, 4937 posts
11 Apr 2019 9:32am
I dont see any of my catapults coming. Unless it a gumby re hook during a jibe .
Its always at speed with the fin hitting ground .
I dont even have time to scream .
Its a fact it takes more than 0.3 of a second to react to a feeling , by that time ive finished my pirouette airborne upside-down maneuver and flat on my back still in my harness lines . I must be a hanger onner . I even got stuck between boom and sail once still in harness lines . Its not like i knew what was happening at that time for that to happen .
I believe there are two types of people , ones that hang on while crashing and the others letting go .
I find it hard to believe that we have the capabilities of changing what happens between the time our feet leave the straps and hitting the water .
KJ
KJ
VIC
162 posts
KJ KJ
VIC, 162 posts
13 Apr 2019 11:53am
Farang said..

mikey100 said..
Same happened to me 6wks ago. Result... 3 broken ribs (9, 10, 11), and I WAS wearing an Ion 'Collision' vest. Will be sticking to my ProLimit weight jacket in future.




Which model of Ion Collision vest did you wear? Ion Collision SELECT 2018 (green colour) Vest is nice, but Select 2019 (blue colour) is BAD as it has only 1cm thick padding but 2018 model has 2cm thick padding. Thats why I returned back the 2019 model and ordered another 2018 model vest.


Tore my rotator cuff loading my windsurfing bag onto the scanner going to Fiji. So when I got back decided to upgrade my mountain bike. On the 2nd ride wiped off and did my ribs badly (pain full). After 6 months off the water, is was back in it, then only after two months, I got an usual catapult and got hit in the rib's (same spot as the MTB accident) with the mast and did them again.

Decided to get a vest, I've got an ion side zip collision vest (core or amp model I think- not to be confused with the vector amp or core under the kite board/windsurfing section). The collision vest (under the "wake board" section) seem to have a bit better protection under the arm pits along the ribs. As I wear a seat harness (mid hook height), I had to modify it slightly by pulling out the foam and cutting it shorter so as not to interfere with my harness as the wake board vests are padded for longer.

Farang- are you talking about the collision vest select FZ as per the link below?

www.ion-products.com/water/kiteboarding/protection/

I looked at these but couldn't find one - where did you get it?

Also has anyone tried the flying objects vest?

www.flyingobjects.com.au/products/windsurf/impact-vest/
MagicRide
MagicRide
688 posts
688 posts
13 Apr 2019 10:46pm
olskool said..
^^ Yep im with John340 on this have had many epic stacks. When i feel im about to catapult i sheet in n even give a lil jump WITH the catapult force. Seems to spin me over n away to leeward from board. I land with my back to the water in a fairly safe position. With no damage to me or my gear.


Pretty much the same for me too. When I catapult, I always land on the leeward side of my board and land on my back, usually still hooked in when on my back in the water. I then unhook, get my bearings, then get sailing again. I just seem to naturally land to the leeward side.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
14 Apr 2019 1:55am
Hanging on and straight front arm punched my shoulder out the back when the sail hit the water and stopped.......and I didn't sail for almost two yrs.

Stuff happens.
Farang
Farang
43 posts
43 posts
14 Apr 2019 5:57am
KJ said..


Farang said..



mikey100 said..
Same happened to me 6wks ago. Result... 3 broken ribs (9, 10, 11), and I WAS wearing an Ion 'Collision' vest. Will be sticking to my ProLimit weight jacket in future.






Which model of Ion Collision vest did you wear? Ion Collision SELECT 2018 (green colour) Vest is nice, but Select 2019 (blue colour) is BAD as it has only 1cm thick padding but 2018 model has 2cm thick padding. Thats why I returned back the 2019 model and ordered another 2018 model vest.




Tore my rotator cuff loading my windsurfing bag onto the scanner going to Fiji. So when I got back decided to upgrade my mountain bike. On the 2nd ride wiped off and did my ribs badly (pain full). After 6 months off the water, is was back in it, then only after two months, I got an usual catapult and got hit in the rib's (same spot as the MTB accident) with the mast and did them again.

Decided to get a vest, I've got an ion side zip collision vest (core or amp model I think- not to be confused with the vector amp or core under the kite board/windsurfing section). The collision vest (under the "wake board" section) seem to have a bit better protection under the arm pits along the ribs. As I wear a seat harness (mid hook height), I had to modify it slightly by pulling out the foam and cutting it shorter so as not to interfere with my harness as the wake board vests are padded for longer.

Farang- are you talking about the collision vest select FZ as per the link below?

www.ion-products.com/water/kiteboarding/protection/

I looked at these but couldn't find one - where did you get it?

Also has anyone tried the flying objects vest?

www.flyingobjects.com.au/products/windsurf/impact-vest/



Yes it is exactly that Ion Collision Vest FZ 2019 which can be seen from that link you provided - STAY AWAY FROM IT as its padding is only 1cm thick www.ion-products.com/water/kiteboarding/protection/vests/collision-vest-select/ !!! Get the 2018 model which is green colour as that is 2cm thick. They look exactly same except colourwise. Get this 2018 model, if you like protection: www.warehouse-one.de/index.php?cl=details&mnid=710d3fd6c01bc906ad81eb0af5886aa4&anid=e931bbd3baadc20c8175b9a61866d659&listtype=manufacturer&&lang=1

Register yourself on this shop?s website and they will email you a 10-euro discount code that you could use it before buying this vest. In many many European shops this vest was sold out. I found this shop to be the cheapest one in Europe.

That Flying Object vest looks pretty nice too, but how thick is its padding - 1cm is nothing at all?
mikey100
mikey100
QLD
1109 posts
QLD, 1109 posts
14 Apr 2019 9:12am
Farang said..

mikey100 said..
Same happened to me 6wks ago. Result... 3 broken ribs (9, 10, 11), and I WAS wearing an Ion 'Collision' vest. Will be sticking to my ProLimit weight jacket in future.




Which model of Ion Collision vest did you wear? Ion Collision SELECT 2018 (green colour) Vest is nice, but Select 2019 (blue colour) is BAD as it has only 1cm thick padding but 2018 model has 2cm thick padding. Thats why I returned back the 2019 model and ordered another 2018 model vest.


Green one.
Farang
Farang
43 posts
43 posts
15 Apr 2019 9:08pm
Wow - even 2cm thick padding did not save your ribs ...so that 1cm thick collision vest is only for decoration purpose... I dont know any thicker one which would be fully padded.
gofaster
gofaster
105 posts
105 posts
19 Apr 2019 6:21pm
OP here. I've tried to find the vest options mentioned but can't get any of them in NZ. We seem to only have mystic, some NP and different (lesser) ION models. Any opinion on the NP high hook or mystic block vest?
Rus13b
Rus13b
NSW
271 posts
NSW, 271 posts
19 Apr 2019 9:12pm
If there is a skiing/ wake boarding shop that you can get to,
take your harness, put it on & try on some of the wake boarding
impact vests. you maybe surprised that there is a few that wont
interfere with your harness hook. if you use a seat harness.
they have heaps of thick padding every were. I got a follow,
they are made by jet pilot.
gofaster
gofaster
105 posts
105 posts
20 Apr 2019 1:05pm
We have Jet Pilot here. Can't see that model listed. Thanks for the suggestion re ski/wake/boating shops. Will look into it..
mbl77
mbl77
5 posts
5 posts
20 Apr 2019 1:30pm
gofaster said..
OP here. I've tried to find the vest options mentioned but can't get any of them in NZ. We seem to only have mystic, some NP and different (lesser) ION models. Any opinion on the NP high hook or mystic block vest?


I've got the Mystic one. It does the job - basic padding and some flotation. It fits underneath your harness. Its identical to one of the Dakine models. NZ Boardstore has them.

Then I also have a Gul Hydr8 , which has more flotation (and consequently more padding), and also a front pocket and an attachment for a water bladder at the back (the reason I bought this one). This one goes over the harness. The Gul is available from NZ Sailing in Silverdale.
Rus13b
Rus13b
NSW
271 posts
NSW, 271 posts
20 Apr 2019 3:50pm
mine is a follow beacon, cody hesse. I guess that's the guys name who its named after.
rated to 50n or 50s, 70kg & over, suitable for all sailing comps aswell witch is helpful.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
21 Apr 2019 10:57am
ka43 said..
All well and good but what about the violent ones when you just dont see it coming??
Happens so fast you have no time to think "Hang on, I reckon I better hang onto to the boom and do a graceful pirouette" while smiling for your Gopro.






Started out with 2 hands but one got ripped off the boom..no damage to me. I don't really want to repeat it though..
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
21 Apr 2019 11:00am
gofaster said..
OP here. I've tried to find the vest options mentioned but can't get any of them in NZ. We seem to only have mystic, some NP and different (lesser) ION models. Any opinion on the NP high hook or mystic block vest?




I've got an older Neil Prdye buoyancy vest ( 2017 ish?). I got one of the new ones and they have more padding but I wanted the pockets and camelback tags that were on the old one so I swapped for an older model. I don't stack it very often although I did do a slow mo catapult onto the boom once. I ended up pretty sore but no real damage.
For general use I love the Neil Pryde ones. That's the older model in the pic above.. actually I think that was the stack that killed it. It was pretty old ( 8 years with lots of use) and already failing but the next time I went to use it the side seam was ripped open to show the padding.
gofaster
gofaster
105 posts
105 posts
22 Apr 2019 7:06pm
Great photo there!
So the neil pryde one has quite good padding around the sides/armpit area?
gofaster
gofaster
105 posts
105 posts
15 May 2019 10:02am
OP here. I got the Forward wip impact vest in the end. Fits very snugly, doesn't ride up and has quite a lot of flotation. Great product with lots of useful features. If its good for the AC guys its good for me. Went out today in very gusty conditions and felt relatively bullet proof... (looks a bit like the those vests the armed police wear)
Searoamer
Searoamer
NSW
303 posts
NSW, 303 posts
15 May 2019 12:09pm
I have been using Safety Marine for years - they can customise no problem, I get extra padding over a collarbone plate - and great prices -
safetymarineaust.com.au/home/content/foam-pfd-type-2
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