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waterlife
waterlife
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2 Jul 2011 6:48pm
Today i was sailing along with a waist harness(is actually a kite surfing harness) in patchy wind and could get into the harness lines, however when a lull/gust came i couldn't unhook resulting in falling forwards or backwards.
i was just wondering if there's a specific method or if my harness lines are too short.
any help is appreciated, as i am sick of getting soaked/dunked/catapulted! :)
ikw777
ikw777
QLD
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2 Jul 2011 7:01pm
It's just hard. Optimum height for the boom when blasting is not optimum for un-hooking in big lulls. Try to pop up on you toes to unhook and practice anticipation of lulls so you gan get out when you still have some forward motion.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
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2 Jul 2011 7:33pm
Or flip you harness hook the other way round. Not many people sail hook up but those that do like it that way.

razzmatazz
razzmatazz
NSW
184 posts
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2 Jul 2011 7:48pm
Mobydisc said...

Or flip you harness hook the other way round. Not many people sail hook up but those that do like it that way.




If they wouldn't would they do it?????
ka43
ka43
NSW
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2 Jul 2011 7:55pm
What length lines are you using??
I think you will probably find that most sailors these days are using a lot longer lines than the old days. If you are using really short lines like 20-24" then you will struggle!!!!
Personally I use 30-32" lines for slalom/speed blasting and 28" for freeride or waves.
Hook up or down shouldnt really make a difference as both have their pro's and con's.
I sail hook up as thats just the way my first harness was when I bought it and I didnt know any better. definitely in the minority though
Ask the sailors around you to check your gear or for advice.
Jman
Jman
VIC
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2 Jul 2011 8:02pm
waterlife said...

Today i was sailing along with a waist harness(is actually a kite surfing harness) in patchy wind and could get into the harness lines, however when a lull/gust came i couldn't unhook resulting in falling forwards or backwards.
i was just wondering if there's a specific method or if my harness lines are too short.
any help is appreciated, as i am sick of getting soaked/dunked/catapulted! :)



Dont kite surfers use a different hook angle?

Make sure the lines are nice and long. Dont be to hard on yourself gusty northerly winds make learning new things harder.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12872 posts
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2 Jul 2011 6:34pm
I think Jman has a point, check the hook, you may be better with a windsurfing spreader bar.
I find in that situation, having your hands close to the lines, enables you to give the lines a flick with your thumbs, as you release the hook presure. It's much easier to move the lines away from the hook, than drop the hook and move it away at the same time.
In under powered conditions I usually drop my boom a little, that also helps.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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2 Jul 2011 7:21pm
decrepit said...

In under powered conditions I usually drop my boom a little, that also helps.


But is worse for early planing (should be boom higher) so a tradeoff that is a hard choice to make
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
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2 Jul 2011 9:27pm
Try some longer lines, there are a lot of benefits in using longer lines so you may as well get used to them now.

I use a waist harness and I'm fairly tall and the lines hang at about the level of the hook when I'm in the standing position, so it's no effort getting in and out.

I even stay in the harness when I'm slogging to keep the pressure of the arms.
Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
3271 posts
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2 Jul 2011 8:09pm
Jman said...

waterlife said...

Today i was sailing along with a waist harness(is actually a kite surfing harness) in patchy wind and could get into the harness lines, however when a lull/gust came i couldn't unhook resulting in falling forwards or backwards.
i was just wondering if there's a specific method or if my harness lines are too short.
any help is appreciated, as i am sick of getting soaked/dunked/catapulted! :)



Dont kite surfers use a different hook angle?

Make sure the lines are nice and long. Dont be to hard on yourself gusty northerly winds make learning new things harder.


All of the kite spreader bars I've bought have come with a warning not to use them for windsurfing? though I've never put them side by side to compare the hook.

You could always solve the problem by ditching the sail and buy a kite?
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
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2 Jul 2011 8:45pm
Kite spreader bars usually have a wider, more flared hook. This means that it is harder for the chicken loop to accidentally slip off (windsurfers unhook a lot more often than kitesurfers).

That said I've been using kiting harnesses for years (windsurfing), and never had a problem unhooking. I do make sure the hook isn't too flared when I buy spreader bars though.
fullmoon
fullmoon
WA
314 posts
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2 Jul 2011 9:07pm
Kite spreader bars are the "hammerhead" style bar I am sure which would make it more difficult to unhook.
Macroscien
Macroscien
QLD
6809 posts
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2 Jul 2011 11:18pm
How do we know that line is actually too long?
I have such suspicion as:
1) harness line disengage quite often by itself - specially on the chop and strong wind gusts
2) in really strong winds I am hitting the water with my back
I think that rising the boom a bit may help with too long lines. (?)
stanly
stanly
QLD
307 posts
QLD, 307 posts
3 Jul 2011 12:31am
What you want to do is position your harnes lines so they fall naturally vertical. When you pull the boom towards you and lift up the lines should want to return to their natural fall. When hooking in, pulling your boom in causes the lines to flick out and catch the hook.
They also need to be able to swing easily from where they connect to the boom, which some do and some not so.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12872 posts
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3 Jul 2011 6:16pm
stanly said...

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They also need to be able to swing easily from where they connect to the boom, which some do and some not so.


NO NO, Horrible.
That's what causes them to rehook in the middle of a gybe!!!
Harness lines should never be able to swing, then you have control of hook to line relationship. When they swing you have very little control of their relative position. Makes it hard/unreliable to hook in, unhook, and worst of, hooking in when you want it least!
stanly
stanly
QLD
307 posts
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3 Jul 2011 8:52pm
Can't say I have that problem. I suppose everyones sailing style is different, and would also depends on length of lines and height of hook. I learnt originally with old school harness lines (all those years ago) where you brought a piece of rope and made your own.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12872 posts
WA, 12872 posts
3 Jul 2011 8:00pm
Yep, so did I and I was always trying to stiffen them up.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
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4 Jul 2011 1:35pm
decrepit said...

stanly said...

<<<<<<<<<
They also need to be able to swing easily from where they connect to the boom, which some do and some not so.


NO NO, Horrible.
That's what causes them to rehook in the middle of a gybe!!!
Harness lines should never be able to swing, then you have control of hook to line relationship. When they swing you have very little control of their relative position. Makes it hard/unreliable to hook in, unhook, and worst of, hooking in when you want it least!


Guy Cribb says if you rehook in the middle of a gybe its because you are too close to the sail..haven't tipped the rig and straightened the front arm..I'm guilty of being too close to the rig but luckily haven't accidently hooked in too often.
waterlife
waterlife
VIC
77 posts
VIC, 77 posts
4 Jul 2011 2:27pm
Thanks guys, i just bought another kite harness on eBay for $1.25, bargain..
I was comparing the two and the first has a much deeper hook angle, where the hook is facing almost back into the harness, whereas this new harness has a shorter hook so may be easier to get in and out of.

Will try lower boom and i think my harness lines are 28-30" as they came on a wave boom.. i'm not too sure, they're red and from north sails?
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
2331 posts
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4 Jul 2011 5:18pm
waterlife said...

they're red


Well, they should make you go faster then
jsnfok
jsnfok
WA
899 posts
WA, 899 posts
4 Jul 2011 10:19pm
i use a kite harness but the newer kite bars are closer to winsurfing bars, but if you cant unhook that might be that your harness lines are to short, i used to use 20 inch line now i use 28 inch line took me a while to get the technique right but was good for me in the end
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