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steller_3
steller_3
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19 Aug 2009 5:34pm
Someone selling this board on trading post with the weirdest fin. i think the hole would make it spin out more.

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anyone tried one of these?
airsail
airsail
QLD
1598 posts
QLD, 1598 posts
19 Aug 2009 6:02pm
Slot fins work great, still use them in both my boards. Good for rough conditions, the board won't spin out till later and comes back in quicker without as much lost speed. A bit slower though due to increased drag.

The Mulitifin clip at the front, little plastic thing just forward of the fin is crap, broke if you hit the bottom then you snapped the fin at the back when it swung down.
divaldo
divaldo
SA
2878 posts
SA, 2878 posts
19 Aug 2009 5:33pm
I have an old one that I use as my 'reef' fin, I am not too worried if it gets bashed up too much, becase it already has a hole in it.
steller_3
steller_3
QLD
123 posts
QLD, 123 posts
19 Aug 2009 6:10pm
divaldo said...

I have an old one that I use as my 'reef' fin, I am not too worried if it gets bashed up too much, becase it already has a hole in it.


haha thing is probs when u do hit u will screw up the fin box as well.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
19 Aug 2009 6:11pm
Slotted fins were the best thing since sliced bread..... well, for what they were designed for which was B&J in outa control conditions. Bit slow on a wave and certainly not a speed or slalom use. Bring 'em back I say!!!!!
hoop
hoop
1979 posts
1979 posts
19 Aug 2009 6:33pm
I worked at Multi fin when they were just finishing making that model (which had the slot moulded into it). The next model was a standard fin with the slot cut out and routed on a jig. I was the guy who had to cut the hole, rout it and then sand it nice and clean. Not much fun doing that all day long.
I used to use both models and still cant work out if the slot actually did anything. (besides give me the schits because I had to cut and sand all day long)
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
19 Aug 2009 9:06pm
Mark _australia said...

Slotted fins were the best thing since sliced bread..... well, for what they were designed for which was B&J in outa control conditions. Bit slow on a wave and certainly not a speed or slalom use. Bring 'em back I say!!!!!


Is this gospel? Not that I'd doubt anything you say Mark, , but this thread reminded me that I have a slotted Torquay Fin Co fin in the shed that I'll never use and thought I might try and flog it off - and it'd be useful to know how the slot worked if anyone queried (I never used it).
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
19 Aug 2009 9:32pm
I had a Multifins slotted fin and I think it was quick to recover from spinout. What happened to Multifins? I still use a couple of them, neither of them are slotted.
kato
kato
VIC
3527 posts
VIC, 3527 posts
19 Aug 2009 9:41pm
easty said...

Mark _australia said...

Slotted fins were the best thing since sliced bread..... well, for what they were designed for which was B&J in outa control conditions. Bit slow on a wave and certainly not a speed or slalom use. Bring 'em back I say!!!!!


Is this gospel? Not that I'd doubt anything you say Mark, , but this thread reminded me that I have a slotted Torquay Fin Co fin in the shed that I'll never use and thought I might try and flog it off - and it'd be useful to know how the slot worked if anyone queried (I never used it).



Still got my Torquay Slotted fin, it was the fin I always used in out of control conditions. Helped slow the board down and keep it in the water. Give it a go

jsnfok
jsnfok
WA
899 posts
WA, 899 posts
19 Aug 2009 8:08pm
it wouldn't produce anymore lift, and the fin pressure would be less as well, but i can see the benefit in out control situtution, i used to have one on a wayne venn wave board i had was good for the 4.5m days...
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
19 Aug 2009 10:09pm
kato said...

easty said...

Mark _australia said...

Slotted fins were the best thing since sliced bread..... well, for what they were designed for which was B&J in outa control conditions. Bit slow on a wave and certainly not a speed or slalom use. Bring 'em back I say!!!!!


Is this gospel? Not that I'd doubt anything you say Mark, , but this thread reminded me that I have a slotted Torquay Fin Co fin in the shed that I'll never use and thought I might try and flog it off - and it'd be useful to know how the slot worked if anyone queried (I never used it).



Still got my Torquay Slotted fin, it was the fin I always used in out of control conditions. Helped slow the board down and keep it in the water. Give it a go


It's U.S. box and I sold that *board, otherwise I would. Wonder why no-one makes them anymore - a fin that helps keep control would be popular you'd think. A bit like reigns on a horse, or brakes on a car.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12872 posts
WA, 12872 posts
19 Aug 2009 8:50pm
The idea was the section in front of the slot acted as a canard. It directs more flow over the section behind the slot, delaying it's stall. So it can be used at greater angles of attack and more turbulent water without spinning out.
I made one that had the front section with a limited pivot, so that it acted much more like a fore sail on a yacht, that really did have more lift, just about lifted me out of the water before the fin snapped.

They were too hard to make, and with the improvement in foils, less necessary, and as already mentioned they had more drag.
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
2331 posts
WA, 2331 posts
19 Aug 2009 10:10pm
I've got one, I converted it from its old US box config and fitted a powerbox head to it.
It resolved a lot of problems that I had with my 92l FSW (mind you most of the probs are probably my bad habits etc.)

Havent tried it on my 101, but its probably a bit small for it.

Long story short, I think they are great and think there is still a market for them.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
20 Aug 2009 12:12am
Agreed decreptit, they do work as a canard (which is well known in aviation) so thus they should theoretically work.

And Easty yeah they did work! My theory (apart from canard wings working to incease angle of attack before loss of laminar flow occurred) was that when a fin spins out it is due to loss of laminar flow on one side... like a big air bubble (or vacuum) on on one side, so it slides sideways. A slot allows a transference of water from one side to the other thus allowing fast spinout recovery with less rider input.

Any doubters should go out on a 80L waveboard and 40kn with say a 4.0 - 4.5, in mega chop, and a normal 23cm fin. Then change to a old 23cm slotted one. I think it will work!

The pictured one, IMHO, was not the best. I reckon the best ones had a slot about 5mm wide and shorter than in this pic, much smaller, and the slot was beveled evenly all around so the slot has a "round bevel" at each end. When it is not so late I may try to find a pic
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
20 Aug 2009 2:17am
i've got a black version of that profoil in my garage. I used to have the canards at one point but lost them now.

i'm a fan of the slot fin.

still use a 25cm torquay wave slot and love it.
racerX
racerX
463 posts
463 posts
20 Aug 2009 1:40am
On aircraft they would be called Slats, or sometimes slotted leading edge flaps...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_edge_slats

Works in the air, don't know if it works on a board :-)
WindmanV
WindmanV
VIC
819 posts
VIC, 819 posts
20 Aug 2009 8:16am
Hi, All,

Slotted fins are still available. Here's a link to True Ames: www.trueames.com/collections/all?section=windsurf.

You can download the catalog and find them under the Enduro Slot tag.

Regards,

Windman
TristanF
TristanF
VIC
230 posts
VIC, 230 posts
20 Aug 2009 11:16am
I'm wondering why you'd choose a slotted fin in really high winds, to stay in control, over just a smaller (solid) fin?
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
20 Aug 2009 10:58am
I've got two US box around 24cm Torquay slots sitting in my shed if anyone wants them!
Haggar
Haggar
QLD
1670 posts
QLD, 1670 posts
20 Aug 2009 12:10pm
Old farts like me will remember these fins well from the late 80's and early 90"s I think(it is really hard thinkin back that far) there were some bloody awful fins back then, and I think then the canard and slotted fins were a big step forward by helping to prevent spinout, but fins have come a long way since then with profiles and foil deisgn, and most modern good quality fins are superb in comparison and do the job very well. Having said that, the concept will probably get recycled at some stage by more manufacturers......
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
20 Aug 2009 11:37am
racerX said...

On aircraft they would be called Slats, or sometimes slotted leading edge flaps...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_edge_slats

Works in the air, don't know if it works on a board :-)


They are not equivalent to slats ..... slats are at a different angle to the wing (sometimes) and are attached..... no gap between them and the following foil.
IE a slotted fin is a foil in front of another foil...... = canard.

swoosh
swoosh
QLD
1929 posts
QLD, 1929 posts
20 Aug 2009 2:09pm
Mark _australia said...

racerX said...

On aircraft they would be called Slats, or sometimes slotted leading edge flaps...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_edge_slats

Works in the air, don't know if it works on a board :-)


They are not equivalent to slats ..... slats are at a different angle to the wing (sometimes) and are attached..... no gap between them and the following foil.
IE a slotted fin is a foil in front of another foil...... = canard.




Well it's called a slot on aircraft as well. A retractable slot is a slat. I think its hard to call it a canard, a canard is a lift generating or control device equivalent to a tail-plane. A slot/slat however is a device attached to the leading edge of an airfoil with the specific purpose of improving its stall characteristics. So in function, i'd have to say it's definitely closer to being a slot/slat, than a canard.

Thou the fact that the fin is a symmetrical foil probably confuses matters a bit.

Also, there are slat/slots that leave a very visible gap between itself and the rest of the foil.
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
20 Aug 2009 2:17pm
TristanF said...

I'm wondering why you'd choose a slotted fin in really high winds, to stay in control, over just a smaller (solid) fin?


When you're in out of control conditions speed isn't an issue but spinout is.
I had a 20cm slotted wave fin fitted to a Tiga conic box. The fin was small so although it hung on pretty well it spun out quite a bit in torrid conditions, however it was so easy to hook back in that spinout wasn't an issue it was a feature.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
20 Aug 2009 2:36pm
swoosh said...

Mark _australia said...

racerX said...

On aircraft they would be called Slats, or sometimes slotted leading edge flaps...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_edge_slats

Works in the air, don't know if it works on a board :-)


They are not equivalent to slats ..... slats are at a different angle to the wing (sometimes) and are attached..... no gap between them and the following foil.
IE a slotted fin is a foil in front of another foil...... = canard.




Well it's called a slot on aircraft as well. A retractable slot is a slat. I think its hard to call it a canard, a canard is a lift generating or control device equivalent to a tail-plane. A slot/slat however is a device attached to the leading edge of an airfoil with the specific purpose of improving its stall characteristics. So in function, i'd have to say it's definitely closer to being a slot/slat, than a canard.

Thou the fact that the fin is a symmetrical foil probably confuses matters a bit.

Also, there are slat/slots that leave a very visible gap between itself and the rest of the foil.



Agreed.... but canards also enable higher angles of attack as well.... so work like a slotted fin so I say it is closer to a canard
jimbob SA
jimbob SA
SA
1000 posts
SA, 1000 posts
20 Aug 2009 6:02pm
I too still use the Torquay slot fins in my wave board, would'nt have anything else, just wish they still made them for my powerbox board,
Ruush if you still have them old slots chuck them in the bus when you come down for the Oct weekend.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
20 Aug 2009 6:49pm
jimbob SA said...

I too still use the Torquay slot fins in my wave board, would'nt have anything else, just wish they still made them for my powerbox board,
Ruush if you still have them old slots chuck them in the bus when you come down for the Oct weekend.


dam! pipped to the post.
swoosh
swoosh
QLD
1929 posts
QLD, 1929 posts
20 Aug 2009 7:08pm
Mark _australia said...
Agreed.... but canards also enable higher angles of attack as well.... so work like a slotted fin so I say it is closer to a canard



Not quite, aircraft with a canard configuration are known for good stall characteristics because the canard stalls before the main wing dropping the nose and preventing the main foil and aircraft from stalling. Easy to confuse this with enabling higher angles of attack.

Its not the same effect if a slot/slat which works in more direct conjunction with the main foil.
jimbob SA
jimbob SA
SA
1000 posts
SA, 1000 posts
20 Aug 2009 6:53pm
Hey Gestalt, if you want you can score them as I don't really need them, I just know Russh, i still have a 10 and 9 inch in good enough nick, just send Russh a pm and i'm sure he will help you out.
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
20 Aug 2009 9:29pm
I'll see if I can fit them in!

Gestalt - send us an email and I can stick one in the post!
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
20 Aug 2009 8:14pm

OK swooshie you win





swoosh
swoosh
QLD
1929 posts
QLD, 1929 posts
21 Aug 2009 9:00am
Mark _australia said...


OK swooshie you win



Yay, whats the prize?! 20kts and some waves would be nice


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