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r2908
r2908
NSW
214 posts
NSW, 214 posts
29 Mar 2012 5:59pm
a table i found, thought id put it here,
may help someone

green=ideal
yellow=average
red=****

segel = sail
& naish is from 2008 on


Aseela
Aseela
WA
168 posts
WA, 168 posts
1 Apr 2012 8:18pm
great work fella! very handy this. Those germans are awesome, but dont mention the war.....a mate couldnt get severne sails to work on his ezzy masts, ended up changing to severne masts as well. another guy I know tried simmer on his NP masts, and it looked crap, floppy low down but head tight. table looks like it works.
R1DER
R1DER
WA
1474 posts
WA, 1474 posts
1 Apr 2012 8:59pm
Hmm I use powerex in my Severne Blades which is pretty close to Ezzy masts(not recommended above) and my blades are frickin awesome.
CJW
CJW
NSW
1731 posts
CJW CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
1 Apr 2012 11:17pm
R1DER said...

Hmm I use powerex in my Severne Blades which is pretty close to Ezzy masts(not recommended above) and my blades are frickin awesome.


Yep that table is up the ****. I run Ezzy's in my S1 and SWATs and have rigged an S1 and a SWAT back to back with an Ezzy mast and an Enigma, the difference is not huge. As Rider5 says the Powerex are for all intensive purposes identical to an Ezzy. From my experimentation Severne's are designed around a slightly stiffer tip mast rather than 'constant curve' which both the Powerex and Ezzy are, but they still work really well on both the Powerex and Ezzy imo... not rigged to the exact settings as per a Severne mast obviously.

I should also clarify this by saying that most people have no idea how to rig their sails, nor experiment outside of the 'recommended settings' in order to find the sweet spot for their particular setup. This might sound harsh but it's an observation I've made over the years.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
1 Apr 2012 9:29pm
^^ +1

Willy Sailor
Willy Sailor
242 posts
242 posts
2 Apr 2012 12:27am
could some one explain to me why some cant match

i thought if the mast was "ya" big , it can fit the same size sail ,
does it have to do with the flex ?

legless
legless
SA
852 posts
SA, 852 posts
2 Apr 2012 9:03am
billyboy402 said...

could some one explain to me why some cant match

i thought if the mast was "ya" big , it can fit the same size sail ,
does it have to do with the flex ?




Yes it is to do with bend curve and flex and were it is. NP tend to be flex top gassta and severne hard top Gun sails mast are in the middle constant curve.

redsurfbus
redsurfbus
304 posts
304 posts
2 Apr 2012 7:47am
Not sure how correct that is for Hot Sails, in my experience they work well with tushingham (only from rigging, didnt get a chance to try it on the water, but the cams rotated and the leech acted the same as with the hot rod as downhaul was applied), tush and hot sails have quite a similar bend curve, flex top but closer to constant curve than NP. Whereas North was not as good with the hot sails, it would need spacers to work properly.

I have also used a severne blueline on my simmer SCR and it was perfect.

North mast on a Tushy X15 gave it more grunt and speed off the wind, with great rotation.

Billyboy....picture the mast either bending more at the top, or constant, or lower down with little bend at the top....this has to fit tightly in the luff tube which is not stretchy and hold the intended shape of the sail. Different manufacturers have different philosophies, for example some say that a flex top dumps power better but sometimes creates a flatter sail in my limited experience...however the Hot Sails GPS is the counter example to that.....it does get complicated
r2908
r2908
NSW
214 posts
NSW, 214 posts
2 Apr 2012 4:34pm
i also question the accuracy, but thought id share anyway
Ian K
Ian K
WA
4169 posts
WA, 4169 posts
2 Apr 2012 3:00pm
Then there's the consistency with which masts are manufactured. Someone posted some measurements a couple of months ago, which maybe weren't all that carefully done, but they showed a lot of variation in the "soft top/hard top index " between two measured masts from the one manufacturer.

Do they soften with use?
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
2 Apr 2012 6:59pm
r2908 said...

i also question the accuracy, but thought id share anyway


I don't think anybody's having a go, just that "average" isn't defined and that may mean anywhere from OK through to damn near a red box.

I think there are some that will work that supposedly don't from the table, but it is still very handy for noobs. Much easier to read than the data on the Peterman.dk link that is always posted
Of course the data will change over time
paddymac
paddymac
WA
943 posts
WA, 943 posts
2 Apr 2012 9:48pm
billyboy402 said...

could some one explain to me why some cant match

i thought if the mast was "ya" big , it can fit the same size sail ,
does it have to do with the flex ?




OK - picture how these exaggerated masts would rig the same sail differently because of where the flex is. What if a sail was designed for the mast one the left and then rigged on the mast on the right? Just don't ask why manufacturers do this or you'll be cursed with mast breakage.


Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
2 Apr 2012 10:33pm
Geez Pat, and I thought I had a stiff top.

Appears not......

Willy Sailor
Willy Sailor
242 posts
242 posts
2 Apr 2012 11:23pm
paddymac said...

billyboy402 said...

could some one explain to me why some cant match

i thought if the mast was "ya" big , it can fit the same size sail ,
does it have to do with the flex ?




OK - picture how these exaggerated masts would rig the same sail differently because of where the flex is. What if a sail was designed for the mast one the left and then rigged on the mast on the right? Just don't ask why manufacturers do this or you'll be cursed with mast breakage.






thank - found that very usefull ,

is there a rule of thumb ,
is one faster then the other , or better in different case ,
eg why would you use a flex top and not hard top
racerX
racerX
463 posts
463 posts
3 Apr 2012 2:48am
paddymac said...

OK - picture how these exaggerated





It worth remembering that for all the different bend curves, ie. hard top, constant curve, and soft top, the top of the mast is softer (bends more) than the bottom, its just how much more.

Such that a very hardtop mast, actualy looks closer to a constant radius curve. i.e. the top is nearly as stiff as the bottom.

No windsurf mast would ever look like the example on the right, the most 'hard top' mast might look the example in the middle.

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