Your probably sheeting in when you jump which pushes the nose of the board down, You'll land very flat or nose first which could be causing your crashes. If you sheet out (or at the very least don't sheet in) just a tad as you jump you'll land tail first and keep going.......

I sheet in when doing chop hops to get the extra height (not needed so much in waves) and let the clew out a little on the way down to help for a softer tail landing. I think nose first landings look neater but are a bit more risky; backed off on those since I'm finally back on the water after missing last season from leg injury.

JoLee said...
I sheet in when doing chop hops to get the extra height (not needed so much in waves) and let the clew out a little on the way down to help for a softer tail landing. I think nose first landings look neater but are a bit more risky; backed off on those since I'm finally back on the water after missing last season from leg injury.

Hows it been going?

jh2703 said...
You need to tell us more about what's happening with the sail and board??? Are you just landing overpowered, hooked in and just being pulled over the front. Are you extending you back leg when you land so that you plant the tail???? Or are you crouched up in a ball when you land and just falling in a heap???
Lots of things could be going wrong, try Sheeting out to dump power on landing, your lines may be too short to sink your hips and control the power, Your straps could be too tight not enabling you to grip the board with your feet causing you to slip and stack???

Get someone to film you stacks so we can have a look

No she doesn,t need to tell us about it. She needs to get back back on the water and practice until she either masters this or breaks her collar bone.
Having said that, feel free to put up video. I love to watch a good stack

jh2703 said...
You need to tell us more about what's happening with the sail and board??? Are you just landing overpowered, hooked in and just being pulled over the front. Are you extending you back leg when you land so that you plant the tail???? Or are you crouched up in a ball when you land and just falling in a heap???
Lots of things could be going wrong, try Sheeting out to dump power on landing, your lines may be too short to sink your hips and control the power, Your straps could be too tight not enabling you to grip the board with your feet causing you to slip and stack???

Get someone to film you stacks so we can have a look

I'd like to see my stacks..actually I have a little hop stack on film..Don't know how to put a video up though..It's not on You tube..?
I jump unhooked , land ok ( think I land ok..? ) then get pulled over the front in a catapult..
Found the video pretty boring ( nothing like the spectacular ones Ive been doing.. ) but I don't know how to upload it.Its HD.

JoLee said...

sboardcrazy said...

JoLee said...
I sheet in when doing chop hops to get the extra height (not needed so much in waves) and let the clew out a little on the way down to help for a softer tail landing. I think nose first landings look neater but are a bit more risky; backed off on those since I'm finally back on the water after missing last season from leg injury.

Hows it been going?

Going well thanks Sbcrazy; building strength back into the knee gradually so I can lift my back leg up to hit my bum on the jumps again. Can't plane out of tail firsts (bit like throwing down the anchor) but doing small chop hop nose first landings aren't too risky.

Good to hear your back on the water..

CJW said...
I almost guarantee that when you are pulling the tail to windward with your leg you are sheeting in, it's probably an involuntary action. The fact you mention that you go over the front when you land confirms that you are sheeted in, both in the air and upon landing...otherwise there is no other possible explanation for that scenario.

As Jase said this is fine, but you have to sheet out and extend that rear leg before landing or you'll land nose heavy which without significant sail and board control is sketchy.

There are two options here: practice modulating that power buy sheeting in/out in the air, you should get a feel for it pretty easily...or option two, sheet in harder and do forward loops.

Thanks Ill keep that in mind and If I can get the time will post a video of a small similar stack.

It doesnt look like you're oversheeted and your position after take off looks good, so good in fact that if you push out with your front arm and sheet in hard you'd easily do a forward - much less painfull than a catapult

sboardcrazy said...

robbo1111 said...
It doesnt look like you're oversheeted and your position after take off looks good, so good in fact that if you push out with your front arm and sheet in hard you'd easily do a forward - much less painfull than a catapult

lol's So where have I stuffed up?

at 15s it looks like you're lining up for a forward, unhooked, back hand back. I think pulling the tail upwind is overrated, at it's making you do here is land sideways - you're almost at 45 degrees from the angle you took off at. I admire the commitment! Bearing off a little in the air is maybe what you're after. Also you're landing pretty nose first then catching the rail at the nose... when you get the nose up try and keep it going up. Look up!

From what it looks like you are taking off quite off the wind, or 'downwind'. This has the same effect as sheeting in as the instant you lose speed, IE at takeoff, the apparent wind angle increase which is exactly what happens when you sheet it. This is compounded somewhat buy pulling the tail up and in quite aggressively which pushes the mast base off the wind, once again similar to sheeting in if you keep your sail hand sheeted in, which you do.

Probably the easiest way around this is to 'steer into the ramp' upon takeoff. That is, turn the board into the wind slightly on the way up the ramp, then continue as you do. As 174 says though, probably a little to aggressive on pulling up the tail for the height you are getting, you don't have enough time to get the board back into the right position for landing. You are also landing fully powered (sheeted in), this is fine but you need to have the board straight if you do this or it will trip on either rail and you'll go over the front, as shown :) Sheet out slightly before landing will be more forgiving in terms of board position.

End of the day it all comes down to sail control, and honestly the best way to learn about sail control and the effect it has on board attitude in the air is start doing forward loops haha. Seriously your position in that video is almost perfect as robbo said, sheet in hard with the sail hand, push out with the front hand, boom, loops ^_^

You're nuts.

I mean that in the best possible way - full credit is due here.

Just watch the "4 steps to forward loop" on youtube - seriously, you're most of the way there.

A crashed forward from that height is going to be a more pleasant experience that that stack.

Good work.

EDIT - that back leg tuck is waaaaay better than mine on a forward. Must make a note of that and work on it.

sboardcrazy said...
Now if the camera hadn't been there I might have been a bit more careful..

Kodak Courage. It has a lot to answer for.

Get back out there and either loop or stop bearing off so much in the air and you'll be right as rain.

Thanks. Sounds easy when he describes it. 20kt SSE today so might get some practise although my shoulder is still b sore from last week.
I hope my gybes and waterstarts improve dramatically as they saw a great white shark in the area I usually sail..

loosen the back footstrap up so you can actually plant your foot where it should be - your board will go faster if it is level and shouldn't bury the rail on landing because you can control it better

Booties make it hard to fit straps comfortably and safely but are a necessary evil for some locations

ibid said...
loosen the back footstrap up so you can actually plant your foot where it should be - your board will go faster if it is level and shouldn't bury the rail on landing because you can control it better

Booties make it hard to fit straps comfortably and safely but are a necessary evil for some locations

I adjusted my front straps a bit tighter a while ago as I was having to curl up my toes to stay in ( sailor error since fixed). I've loosened them again but I've been noticing lately that I tend to change my feet a bit late gybing as i find it hard to get out of the front straps. I'll have to loosen them again.
No chop hops today as 7.2m cambered sail + 125ltre in a gusty 10 -15kts.Some big chop. Lovely relaxed sail .Nice not to be battling the sail or overpowered for once..