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elviento
elviento
NSW
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NSW, 23 posts
17 Feb 2010 10:34pm
Caught the windsurfing bug and looking to get some gear. Some people say just hire for a season and then buy. best option??

It seems there are few beginner boards out there (eg Starboard Rios) so thinking about buying new and trading in later. If buy say in UK I wonder if cheaper (on a Virgin flight back so cheap to bring back) than say buying here......anyone had any experience

Cheers all

swoosh
swoosh
QLD
1929 posts
QLD, 1929 posts
17 Feb 2010 9:44pm
the uk would more then likely be cheaper, they have a pretty big market of secondhand gear, but even if you are flying virgin, i doubt you could bring something as big as a starboard rio on the flight.

racerX
racerX
463 posts
463 posts
17 Feb 2010 8:04pm
A rio would be fine on virgin, they are lighter than 23kg! But your not going to save much, if any. Hardly worth the hassle, unless you get a good deal on 2nd hand board that is hard to come by on the 2nd hand market. My 2p
ginger pom
ginger pom
VIC
1746 posts
VIC, 1746 posts
17 Feb 2010 11:24pm
it will be cheaper in the UK...

just make sure it comes back in one piece and that there's nothing wrong with it... returns would be pricey
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
17 Feb 2010 8:31pm
buy in Australia and help the industry keep going, that way in 10 years time , if youve still got the bug, you wont have to mail order from the last remaining shop in the country
given all that , Ive just set up a beginners boad with 2 complete rigs, all secondhand for only $50.
lee1972
lee1972
QLD
921 posts
QLD, 921 posts
18 Feb 2010 6:47am
Things are cheaper in the uk for sure, you only have to look at boards magazine and do the maths. I shipped my two boards over a couple of years ago only becuase they were new and i didnt want to leave them at home. Beginners boards are rare as rocking horse **** but you can find find them so keep looking in Aus because shipping over a board especially 2nd ones is a bit of a hassle.
Keep the Aus windsurf economy going. Check shops in Perth or SEQ for gear, you can find some real bargins there.
Having said that, if you can hire decent gear to begin with maybe stick with that until your good enough to buy something smaller becuase you will have many more options .
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3571 posts
WA, 3571 posts
18 Feb 2010 4:54am
Elviento,

That's an interesting one... With new boards there really doesn't seem to be a very big difference in price anymore. Certainly not enough to justify the extra hassle and expense on a plane.

It's a bit different when you are talking custom made boards from the US. However, the biggest gain there is due to exchange rate fluctuations rather than the gear being cheaper.

Try and call a few shops (eg. Windsurf and Snow here in Sydney, there are several in WA and Melbourne as well) to see if they have some second hand gear in stock. They might also know of people selling the kind of kit you are after.

Personally I would probably buy used to begin with. You'll find that your progress in the first year or two is really fast. Once you progressed to the point where you can sail comfortably from a to b, attempt to do a tack and come back to a as well as starting to use a harness and perhaps even attempt to water start you can start thinking about buying a new boards.

At that stage it will pay off to have a good relation ship with your local shop. They will be able to hock you up with some demo gear before committing to a specific board size. Something you can't do when you buy overseas.
elviento
elviento
NSW
23 posts
NSW, 23 posts
18 Feb 2010 9:17am
Sage like advice guys

Got an email overnight that says if I buy new I can reclaim the VAT (like GST) and my net cost is $1500 (Virgin will transport it for virtually nothing). Its very tempting as I am restricted to one beach at the moment for hiring. But then again if I can progress quickly is it worth it?

Decisions, decisions,...... keep swinging one way then the other....(only in windsurf decision territory!!!)

will take some more time to think it over

thanks guys!!!
El Viento
albymongrel
albymongrel
NSW
257 posts
NSW, 257 posts
18 Feb 2010 10:44am
hey, I'm not sure about this but customs may slap a 10% import duty on you!
KMAN5000
KMAN5000
NSW
126 posts
NSW, 126 posts
18 Feb 2010 10:48am
About 12 years ago I worked in a windsurfing shop and when unkown people rocked up to a shop with a warranty problem on an imported item, (sail, board, mast, boom, fin etc etc) we helped but at a cost and really never gave it the same priority a frequent customer would get.

There aren't may shops around, but you'll find that they aren't there to rip you off. Rock up with a budget in mind and they'll sort you out with litterally the best for your buck. There aren't many windsurfers and the shops will go out of there way to ensure you come back. Find a local shop, stay loyal and you'll reap the rewards on deals, trade ins and priceless advice.
KMAN5000
KMAN5000
NSW
126 posts
NSW, 126 posts
18 Feb 2010 10:55am
Customs taxes only apply to posted/shipped items, not stuff you bring with you as luggage excess or normal.
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3571 posts
WA, 3571 posts
18 Feb 2010 10:44am
KMAN5000 said...

Customs taxes only apply to posted/shipped items, not stuff you bring with you as luggage excess or normal.


Not true. Any item over $1000 has to be declared and 10% GST paid accordingly.

It's just that most people don't declare... if your gear looks like it's brand new I'd be very surprised if customs wouldn't ask questions. Especially since these days they scan every single item as you enter the country.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
18 Feb 2010 2:57pm
elviento said...

Sage like advice guys

Got an email overnight that says if I buy new I can reclaim the VAT (like GST) and my net cost is $1500 (Virgin will transport it for virtually nothing). Its very tempting as I am restricted to one beach at the moment for hiring. But then again if I can progress quickly is it worth it?

Decisions, decisions,...... keep swinging one way then the other....(only in windsurf decision territory!!!)

will take some more time to think it over

thanks guys!!!
El Viento

RE the VAT:make sure you find out where the little window at the airport in the UK is. get there early on a day that it is open, be willing to qeue,have your tickets,recipts , passport and the unwrapped item for display, . I think there may be a time limit on the date since purchase as well.
we tried it once, and next time just couldnt be bothered

KMAN5000
KMAN5000
NSW
126 posts
NSW, 126 posts
18 Feb 2010 6:05pm
stehsegler said...

KMAN5000 said...

Customs taxes only apply to posted/shipped items, not stuff you bring with you as luggage excess or normal.


Not true. Any item over $1000 has to be declared and 10% GST paid accordingly.

It's just that most people don't declare... if your gear looks like it's brand new I'd be very surprised if customs wouldn't ask questions. Especially since these days they scan every single item as you enter the country.


My bad then, never bought anything over $1k without trying before bringing it back with me , after using it I guess they can't say its new and requires GST, surely they can't charge GST on a used/2nd hand item.

If what your saying is true then that cans my idea of getting someone to pick up and bring back a new custom board from hawaii, then spilt try savings....
sailpilot
sailpilot
QLD
787 posts
QLD, 787 posts
18 Feb 2010 8:43pm
Save your bucks mate, there's plenty of good value used gear that will cop a hiding in its first year of use. Once you've got some time on water and spoken to a few sailors then you will find there's alot more to board selection than what you see on a website. But glad to hear your keen to get up and running.

ps elviento.....your login name would suggest you speak spanish ??
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
18 Feb 2010 7:42pm
landyacht said...

RE the VAT:make sure you find out where the little window at the airport in the UK is. get there early on a day that it is open, be willing to qeue,have your tickets,recipts , passport and the unwrapped item for display, . I think there may be a time limit on the date since purchase as well.
we tried it once, and next time just couldnt be bothered




I don't know what its like these days but when buying stuff in Europe back in 2000 I filled in a form, gave them my credit card details and 3 to 6 months later they credited the credit card with the VAT. I don't remember waiting anywhere, but it was a while ago now.

It wasn't fast, but it was pretty simple.

I think Australia does the same thing for foreign tourists and the GST.
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3571 posts
WA, 3571 posts
18 Feb 2010 8:34pm
KMAN5000 said...
My bad then, never bought anything over $1k without trying before bringing it back with me , after using it I guess they can't say its new and requires GST, surely they can't charge GST on a used/2nd hand item.

If what your saying is true then that cans my idea of getting someone to pick up and bring back a new custom board from hawaii, then spilt try savings....


Just get them to put the board inside a board bag that looks a bit used...

racerX
racerX
463 posts
463 posts
18 Feb 2010 9:00pm
Don't forget to factor in your travel costs in the UK. i.e. don't plan on taking the board on the train to the airport etc... You can on some trains though [you need to do your homework], not a problem if you got a car etc. Not to put you off, Its definetly doable.


But then again if I can progress quickly is it worth it?

If your really keen, and you have the time you can progess quickly. Depending on the prevailing conditions, the type of sailing you want to do , and your goals, you may not want to keep the rio for long. IMHO, if your lucky enough to be able rent for a while, then take the opportunity!
elviento
elviento
NSW
23 posts
NSW, 23 posts
19 Feb 2010 9:19am
THX !!!! this forum is top notch

I speak a little Spanish as half South American - Half Pom (yeah dodgy combo ) so thats why chose El Viento as already have a nickname as Windy because I am into windfarms as a job

I figured out if I go 15 times hiring a board over the next few months that will cost me $1200. Thinking that stings a bit given there is no board to then trade in. But then again I have not factored in cost of second hand boom/sail etc.

still no closer to decision yet
Rob11
Rob11
240 posts
240 posts
19 Feb 2010 8:05am
elviento said...

Sage like advice guys
Got an email overnight that says if I buy new I can reclaim the VAT (like GST) and my net cost is $1500 (Virgin will transport it for virtually nothing). Its very tempting as I am restricted to one beach at the moment for hiring. But then again if I can progress quickly is it worth it?


Not sure if this quote is for the *board Rio, but her ein Oz it retails at $1,595 and in the same range, the Exocet Nano is at $1,495 etc...

Hmm... is it still cheaper to buy overseas (packing, getting it on a plane, customs, potential damage during travel, no service (or have to pay sh#t load of money in transport to get a replacement)
off da wall
off da wall
VIC
29 posts
VIC, 29 posts
19 Feb 2010 5:17pm
moved to vic about 8 mounths ago from the uk. sold all my gear on ebay before the move thinking I could get gear here at a simler price how I was saddly wrong most of my gear was 2007-2008. Here I am lucky if I can get 2003-2004 gear if you can find it.(the only bad thing of the move) I have been looking at the windsurf mag from the uk loads of good deals on kit at the moment. if you buy say 2008 kit on a deal and second hand gear bags from ebay slightly worn then customs cant say the gear is brand new.

good luck
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
19 Feb 2010 7:50pm
off da wall said...

moved to vic about 8 mounths ago from the uk. sold all my gear on ebay before the move thinking I could get gear here at a simler price how I was saddly wrong most of my gear was 2007-2008. Here I am lucky if I can get 2003-2004 gear if you can find it.(the only bad thing of the move) I have been looking at the windsurf mag from the uk loads of good deals on kit at the moment. if you buy say 2008 kit on a deal and second hand gear bags from ebay slightly worn then customs cant say the gear is brand new.

good luck

When I was looking for a board the prices overseas were a lot cheaper although that doesnt take convenience & additional costs into account.I could buy a 120 JP Excite new for the price Id pay for a 2007 one here.

elviento
elviento
NSW
23 posts
NSW, 23 posts
19 Feb 2010 8:24pm
seems like a 2009 model or even second hand from UK could be the way to go then. Keep hiring for a while then April find me first chariot
elviento
elviento
NSW
23 posts
NSW, 23 posts
19 Feb 2010 8:24pm
oh and buy boom and sail here in OZ to support the local shops!!
racerX
racerX
463 posts
463 posts
19 Feb 2010 7:54pm
figured out if I go 15 times hiring a board over the next few months that will cost me $1200


Ask the hire place if you they do better deals, for regular users!

Also if you goal is to sail on smaller gear, I found I could handle a much smaller board
when:

1. I had a few good sessions on the 200l board
2. Could hire a big board when the conditions were more difficult
3. Used the learner board to practise gybe, tacks before attempting on a smaller board (Still use this approach)

i.e. the learner board really helps!

You might get away with ~130l freeride board with approach, [but you got to be keen!].
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