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sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
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NSW, 8333 posts
17 Apr 2010 3:33pm
Im looking around at boards but Ive never bought through the internet before and I'm a bit nervous about paying for the board and it never arrives or its not what they say etc.. Any tips to avoid pitfalls..
MattL
MattL
WA
88 posts
WA, 88 posts
17 Apr 2010 2:17pm
I've sold a number using seabreeze, two just this morning, and I think the biggest thing is both parties being honest and reasonable, I have previously sent pictures, especially if there are any dings or marks if I thought they could be deal breakers.
The reality is, if you want a board that is in new condition, spend the bucks and buy a new one, what you are buying is second hand, probably loved, but it is second hand
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
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17 Apr 2010 4:43pm
MattL said...

I've sold a number using seabreeze, two just this morning, and I think the biggest thing is both parties being honest and reasonable, I have previously sent pictures, especially if there are any dings or marks if I thought they could be deal breakers.
The reality is, if you want a board that is in new condition, spend the bucks and buy a new one, what you are buying is second hand, probably loved, but it is second hand

I dont mind dings as long as it is sound, I'm more worried about someone taking the money & never delivering the board.Is it possible to do COD with private sales?

Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
17 Apr 2010 4:53pm
Buying via Seabreeze or another site?

I reckon on Seabreeze if its someone can verify their address and bonofides then it should be okay. If they rip you off and don't send you the board after you pay for it then you can pursue it with the police as a case of fraud. Plus their reputation here would be trashed.

I bought a sail through Seabreeze. Though tt wasn't in as good a condition as I expected the deal went through fine.

I am not sure about COD. I think the post office did it but I'm not sure if they still do it. I doubt any courier would do COD.


izaak
izaak
TAS
2013 posts
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17 Apr 2010 4:53pm
i think it pretty safe if you are buying inside AUS, i have brought a board and two sails and a fin and had no problems.dad has got a board and fins and had no problems either,a while ago.now dad and i have seem to be buying brand new gear which is costing a bit but its good when you know that your the only one thats sailed it.

p.s all off seabreeze too
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
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17 Apr 2010 5:06pm
Mobydisc said...

Buying via Seabreeze or another site?

I reckon on Seabreeze if its someone can verify their address and bonofides then it should be okay. If they rip you off and don't send you the board after you pay for it then you can pursue it with the police as a case of fraud. Plus their reputation here would be trashed.

I bought a sail through Seabreeze. Though tt wasn't in as good a condition as I expected the deal went through fine.

I am not sure about COD. I think the post office did it but I'm not sure if they still do it. I doubt any courier would do COD.




Yes at the moment I'm looking at Seabreeze.How do you verify a person?

AUS4
AUS4
NSW
1296 posts
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17 Apr 2010 6:12pm
why dont you drive down the road 5 minutes and by it from you local shop ( Board Crazy in Belmont )?
sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
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17 Apr 2010 6:13pm
sboardcrazy said...
How do you verify a person?



If they can use the internet to post an ad on seabreeze and reply to your queries, then this is a pretty good indication that it's a person.
swoosh
swoosh
QLD
1929 posts
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17 Apr 2010 6:35pm
AUS4 said...

why dont you drive down the road 5 minutes and by it from you local shop ( Board Crazy in Belmont )?


having a completely uneducated guess, i'd say price.

whats wrong with private sales? there are some good deals out there
jh2703
jh2703
NSW
1225 posts
NSW, 1225 posts
17 Apr 2010 7:28pm
SBC,

I buy lots of stuff and use COD on a regular basis...I don't know about something as big as a board, but It won't hurt to ask Australia Post...I think weigh is more of an issue. With COD everybody Is covered, you get your board they get their cash and if it goes missing or gets damaged It's covered by insurance, There is a fee that the receiver pays when the goods are collected.

Make sure you get phone numbers and talk to people before the final purchase, Don't ever buy unless you have spoken to the owner first, If they are serious about selling something they wouldn't mind sending you some pics via email or any other info you might request.'

I myself like to see what I'm going to but first, Nothing like holding the board in your hands, feeling the weight and seeing any defects first hand. It would be very disappointing to have a board turn out to be not quite what you were expecting, would almost make me cry.

Why not try calling some windsurfing shops, It's almost the end of the season and is going to get harder for them to move boards, they may be willing to sell you something for a good price and ship it to you. I had recently purchase a new board and it got held up in transit, It arrived two days after I left for a WA holiday...They could not do enough for me and even offered to ship it to me on the west coast. The point being the guys in the shops tend to look after you as it normally means repeat business...We all know that we never stop spending coin on more gear.

Any ways good luck, hope you pick up sweet ride.

Jase.
seano
seano
NSW
150 posts
NSW, 150 posts
17 Apr 2010 7:29pm
i have purchased a few windsurfing items through seabreeze & ebay.
Ebay has paypal buyer protection provided you pay through paypal. Most people that sell on seabreeze live & breath windsurfing, a quick phone call usually confirms they are legit.
Transport will be your main problem, i dont think Aus post ship parcels over two meters.
I have used couriers, but keep in mind unless you pay for insurance no courier will accept responsibility for damaged / lost parcels. It rarely happens & so far my deliveries have all arrived ok.
waggles56
waggles56
VIC
204 posts
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17 Apr 2010 7:36pm
In the past I have asked sellers to email me a photo of themself holding their driver's licence and a close up of their licence. A bit extreme maybe but it helps with peace of mind.
AUS02
AUS02
TAS
2042 posts
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17 Apr 2010 8:03pm
I've bought and sold second hand gear via Seabreeze many times. I'm happy to send gear without payment when selling and also happy to pay up front before getting the gear when buying. Never had a probelm!! As long as everyone accepts that it's second hand gear that's being bought and sold and that it's not going to be in pristine condition.
Flipper11
Flipper11
VIC
356 posts
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17 Apr 2010 8:04pm
Watch out for nigira scammers there every where all over the net..
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
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17 Apr 2010 8:05pm
Flipper11 said...

Watch out for nigira scammers there every where all over the net..


Whats that?

Someone selling viagra from Nigeria?

Gidget
Gidget
NSW
104 posts
NSW, 104 posts
17 Apr 2010 9:38pm
I've bought private through Seabreeze and also from windsurfing businesses around Aus and in Maui. Find a reasonable courier, and it shouldn't be a problem. With courier deliveries it's easiest to have items sent to a business address, otherwise you get a "we called but you weren't home" card, and you either have to arrange a mutually beneficial time or go pick it up from the depot (the latter is not much of a hassle as I go on my way to work.) I'm female, and I do like "shopping around" to find exactly what I want....it is all part of the fun experience of shopping.

What underpins every transaction is the Trade Practices Act, to ensure responsible and fair trade. Undertaking a sale through Seabreeze increases the bone fide nature to any transaction, both ethically and in law.
Gidget
Gidget
NSW
104 posts
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17 Apr 2010 9:44pm
Flipper11 said...

Watch out for nigira scammers there every where all over the net..


Did you see the program where Germaine Greer* declared her frustration at being bombarded with "penis enlargement" emails?

(*author of "The Female Eunuch")
Flipper11
Flipper11
VIC
356 posts
VIC, 356 posts
17 Apr 2010 9:52pm
no baby
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
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18 Apr 2010 12:02am
The reasonable option is to share the risk. Pay half up front and half when it arrives.
If they wont accept that then they are sus anyway.
shark
shark
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
18 Apr 2010 1:03am
[b]sboardcrazy said....Is it possible to do COD with private sales?




would you send your board to a private buyer COD if you were selling one? I most surely wouldnt.
shark
shark
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
18 Apr 2010 1:08am
Gidget said...

I've bought private through Seabreeze and also from windsurfing businesses around Aus and in Maui. Find a reasonable courier, and it shouldn't be a problem. With courier deliveries it's easiest to have items sent to a business address, otherwise you get a "we called but you weren't home" card, and you either have to arrange a mutually beneficial time or go pick it up from the depot (the latter is not much of a hassle as I go on my way to work.) I'm female, and I do like "shopping around" to find exactly what I want....it is all part of the fun experience of shopping.

What underpins every transaction is the Trade Practices Act, to ensure responsible and fair trade. Undertaking a sale through Seabreeze increases the bone fide nature to any transaction, both ethically and in law.


Im not certain but doesnt the Trade Practices Act only cover commercial sales, not private?
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
18 Apr 2010 8:43am
AUS4 said...

why dont you drive down the road 5 minutes and by it from you local shop ( Board Crazy in Belmont )?

Id love to but they don't stock Tabou's..
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
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18 Apr 2010 8:44am
sausage said...

sboardcrazy said...
How do you verify a person?



If they can use the internet to post an ad on seabreeze and reply to your queries, then this is a pretty good indication that it's a person.


sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
18 Apr 2010 8:47am
sboardcrazy said...

AUS4 said...

why dont you drive down the road 5 minutes and by it from you local shop ( Board Crazy in Belmont )?

Id love to but they don't stock Tabou's..Id much prefer to buy from a shop but they'd have to stock the type of board I want and I also have budget constraints.


sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
18 Apr 2010 9:42am
SBC,
I have bought and sold all my gear (bar accessories etc) through Seabreeze. Never had any problems.

One thing that could help though is a standard condition ranking that everyone could use to grade their gear. What's excellent condition for one person may only be good condition to another. Nothing beats the tangibility of actually seeing the product as opposed to buying on-line.

Something like this grading used by 2nd Wind Sailboards would be useful.
A+ New A Like new, but not
A- Nearly like new
B+ Very good condition
B Very good condition, with minor blemishes
B- Good condition
C+ Good condition, not so pretty
C Not bad
C- Getting long in the tooth, but sailable
D Hey, I still work!







DavMen
DavMen
NSW
1510 posts
NSW, 1510 posts
19 Apr 2010 10:28am
I've done a few buy and sells through Sea Breeze - always a positive result.

One buyer wanted to use escrow - see per the buy and sell Tip's and Tricks - Worked fine

www.escrow.com/

Gives the purchaser time to be sure they are getting what they expected - a little extra cost involved that the purchaser meet as a sort of insurance.
K Dog
K Dog
VIC
1847 posts
VIC, 1847 posts
19 Apr 2010 1:18pm
Paypal is also a good option.

unicron
unicron
2 posts
2 posts
19 Apr 2010 2:38pm
sboardcrazy said...

AUS4 said...

why dont you drive down the road 5 minutes and by it from you local shop ( Board Crazy in Belmont )?

Id love to but they don't stock Tabou's..



Yep, unfortunately the TPA will only apply if one of the parties is a commercial operation / business.
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