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steve o
steve o
NSW
34 posts
NSW, 34 posts
7 Aug 2006 7:40pm
Im thinking of investing in a new boom....for a 6.5 free race sail is carborn realy worth the money? and what about these new half and half jobs? has any one seen a new review or some advice would be good Regards steve o
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
7 Aug 2006 5:58pm
I have a half-half boom. Not bad. Stiff and quite light.

I have had some guys at the beach tell me half-half is a bad idea due to reaction between carbon and alloy and more corrosion. Not sure if I believe that...

Might be a good option if the price of carbon windsurfing kit goes the way we are being told it is going to go Damn bananas
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
7 Aug 2006 8:06pm
i am a huge fan of carbon booms,

tried one about 5 years back and refuse to use aluminium since.
personally i think they are well worth the extra bucks.

the stiffer the better.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
8 Aug 2006 10:51am
Nup. On a 6.5 they are not needed unless you race a lot / well. There is not enough flex in an approx 2m ally boom for 80% of sailors to notice any difference in sail performance.
Anything over 8.0m sails, yes, carbon is worth the money.
Windsurfer
Windsurfer
202 posts
202 posts
8 Aug 2006 10:30pm
I kinda agree with Mark even though I've never used a carbon boom before. I have an ali boom 150-200. Cost me $270 from memory. I wave sail and my biggest sail is 5.7m and I admit it does flex a little with the 5.7 clew at 180cm only because my boom is 2 seasons old but seriously not that much to really be concerned about. I'm buying a new one before this summer just because I'm fussy.

Do any wave sailors out there use carbon booms and why?
firiebob
firiebob
WA
3182 posts
WA, 3182 posts
9 Aug 2006 8:19am
Well I hope they're worth it, cos I just ordered one.
I like to sail powered up, and end up breaking the arms at the head from flex. I use Chinook cos I used to break the heads (Pro Line, NP etc).
This happens at lest every 10 months, so I'm sick of it.
I'm thinking if the cost works out the same over time, at lest I've had a stiffer lighter boom anyway.

Cheers,
Bob.
Windsurfer
Windsurfer
202 posts
202 posts
9 Aug 2006 8:13pm
I'm not saying that my boom flexed from day one, actually it seemed very strong and quite light. It is a 29 diametre and me only weighing around 65kg and using a 5m with 170 extension goes well. With my 4.2 it extends to 155. So thats not much which still allows the boom to be strong. But last season with the lack o wind I used my 5.7m just as much as my 5m. This being the second season of use and I'm sure over time the ali gets soft? So I think ali booms are fine as long as you get the right size for your sails and not using them at there maximum extensions. Would I be right in saying this?
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
9 Aug 2006 11:06pm
i believe aluminium booms definately soften and fatigue over time....
i have carbon booms that are 5 years old and still stiff although as they are not continuous tail versions they are starting to show signs of wear. i am not a pro but i can pick the diffeence straight away between carbon and aluminium.

this is what fiberspar say..
www.fibersparsports.com/whycarbon.html

the stiffest boom i have ever used was the fiberspar carbon posigrip. i used it on a 6.4 kult. prior to that i had aluminium. going to carbon made the sail respond superbly. the entire rig felt locked in and predictable. a damn site easier to sail. however, i managed a break the boom when i botched a forward attempt. still unable to do them..... i found real benefits to a stiff boom for bump and jump and flat water blasting.

regardless of whether you get carbon or aluminium i think the following important factors when comparing booms.

a continuous tail piece and head piece. i have also found that in the larger sizes, (170+) booms, with wide tails they feel stiffer than the same booms with standard tails. (don't know why)

also look at the locking mechanism. the twist locks system fiberspar use is easy and quick but will wear out. go the twin pins if you can.

try and get a boom with an articulated head. saves the mast.


steve o
steve o
NSW
34 posts
NSW, 34 posts
10 Aug 2006 8:00am
Well guys,
Its a great thing to be able to tap into such a large wealth of not only, knoledge but priceless experence a big thanks to every one that has helped but now which brand, if you all could help with this choice it would be very apprecated regards steve o ps sorry for any spelling probs
AUS154 Chris
AUS154 Chris
QLD
217 posts
QLD, 217 posts
10 Aug 2006 9:34am
Well I was using a North carbon boom (2m - 250. with 6.5 V8)for a few years before it broke, ( the part that failed was alu.)and I guess I took it's performance for granted. While I was waiting for my new carbon Neil Pryde X9 boom, I used an aluminium NP Race 2000 boom and I tell you I could not believe the step down in performance. It was terrible. Basically, the ever-changing c of e. So when I got my new X9 2m-250, everything was good again, only better. That is one hell of a stiff boom - don't think there is any stiffer.
ka43
ka43
NSW
3101 posts
NSW, 3101 posts
10 Aug 2006 10:00am
Got a NP carbon with Fspar rear end from Sam Parker. Super light and stiff. Pretty much used carbon booms for quite awhile now. Just stiffer and lighter. When you go back to alloy its a shock.
Have a HPL carbon boom for my slalom sails and its tops as well.
Had a large carbon boom (cant remember make) with a Chinook alloy tail piece. It exploded in the middle of Botany Bay. Dont know what went first, the boom arm at the head or the alloy tail piece. One minute sailing along, the next Im in the water still hooked into one side of a boom with my sail and board 15 feet away.
Dont know whether alloy/carbon reaction thing happened.
Carbon is the go
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
10 Aug 2006 5:14pm
Oh yeah.... just read the June edition of Boards magazine where they test Carbon booms and a few aluminium as 'control samples' I guess you could say. Definitley worth a read. The test may be on their website, www.boards.co.uk
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
10 Aug 2006 5:15pm
Oh yeah.... just read the June edition of Boards magazine where they test Carbon booms and a few aluminium as 'control samples' I guess you could say. Definitley worth a read. The test may be on their website, www.boards.co.uk Main thing I got out of it was forget wieght, they are 150g lighter (2.6kg vs 2.75 means very bloody little to me. I'd rather have 150gm heavier and lasts 20yrs at Jaws.)
drjukka
drjukka
QLD
258 posts
QLD, 258 posts
10 Aug 2006 10:27pm
ka43,

Have to say I have has the same experience with alloy booms as well.

Feel Like I'm a regular boom wrecker - have been through 6 in the last 2 seasons - with no wavesailing sailing - all slalom with some bump and jump.

Best boom I've owned was a hydrodynamix which lasted 9 seasons before giving up in the shipping channels off middle park/port melb -in Port Philip bay - memorable swim back home - after dark!!

J
Windsurfer
Windsurfer
202 posts
202 posts
10 Aug 2006 9:09pm
Well steve it seems like you are getting your answers from the boring side of windsurfing. Not to mention the next step up the extreme ladder from back and forth flat water to bump and jump. These guys seem to love their carbon and I'm sure you will but what about the wave sailors? Will you be riding the waves? The ultimate level of windsurfing. Carbon or ali?
Kremlin
Kremlin
418 posts
418 posts
11 Aug 2006 7:00am
Comrade Windsurfer/s

I have carbon boom and I only wave sail.
Have broken countless ali booms in waves
If not braking ali booms I bend them... I not have this problem with carbon.
Carbon very strong, very stiff, very lite, very responsive but very expensive yar !

I take big wipe out in Mauritius 2 weeks ago, I got flicked off wave when attemtping aerial. Landing very ugly... ontop of boom with all weight (90kg) on top of it.
Boom still perfect... pride dented ! Ali boom would have broke for certain yar !
MA have big laugh while I get next 4 waves on head and swim long way for my gear (he catch 6 waves in time it takes to swim to gear)

Comrade Firiebob, carbon is good choice for you and you will save many rubles in long run

Kremlin
firiebob
firiebob
WA
3182 posts
WA, 3182 posts
11 Aug 2006 8:44am
Hey Kremo, the vodka making you fat mate, or you now muscle man
Now you're gone, we have new star, check the photo's. That fat bird with all the kids is still looking for you, Ya.

Rum Island is going off this year.

Cheers,
Bob.
steve o
steve o
NSW
34 posts
NSW, 34 posts
11 Aug 2006 4:03pm
Ok, so carbon it is but what brand, ive seen hpl and fiber spar but am a little sketchy on how the tail peice adjusts and chnook booms have a plastic head so what the best and why
NathanReeves
NathanReeves
WA
61 posts
WA, 61 posts
11 Aug 2006 2:32pm
I have a HPL carbon for wave sailing. had it about 4 years and think its sweet as. Previous I had a fibrespar carbon but the twist style locks sucked when worn and the boom used to collapse sometimes. It was old though. The only problem i found with the HPL is the front end clamp has been ruined by me twisting the boom off the mast. Over time the top of the mast clamp has been pulled away from the pin. Hard to explain. But if you just pull the boom away from the mast instead of twisting downwards, there are no problems. I guess this would happen to any boom, if they had lasted the same time as the HPL.

For years before I had a ali one and didn't lose any sleep over it. So just depends on whether you got the urge to splash out.
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