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Waiting4wind
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20 Jan 2009 11:34am
Does any one know where I can buy, in Sydney, some foam blocks like the stuff used to build boards. I only need 2 small blocks about 20cm * 10 * 50. What is the best way to cut and shape the foam, what tools will I need?

Also need a small quantity of carbon fibre cloth, where would I get that please.

I've done a search on the web, but being specialised stuff, It's come up with all sorts of other things.
keef
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20 Jan 2009 12:46pm
RMAX Address
27 Chifley St
Smithfield
NSW, 2164
Australia
Contact Details
Ph:1300 888 662
Other:(02) 9609 6088
Fax:(02) 9604 7747 www.rmax.com.au
give them a call and they will send you some samples of different densitity's and they will cut it too what ever size you want
and fgi for eveything elese
you will need a surf foam from the hardware
Waiting4wind
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20 Jan 2009 1:40pm
keef said...

RMAX Address
27 Chifley St
Smithfield
NSW, 2164
Australia
Contact Details
Ph:1300 888 662
Other:(02) 9609 6088
Fax:(02) 9604 7747 www.rmax.com.au
give them a call and they will send you some samples of different densitity's and they will cut it too what ever size you want
and fgi for eveything elese
you will need a surf foam from the hardware


Keef thanks, what is "surf foam" ?
hoop
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20 Jan 2009 11:49am
He means surform. It looks a bit like a hand plane with a cheese grater stuck to the bottom.
FormulaNova
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20 Jan 2009 1:46pm
Clark Rubber sell sheets of styrofoam, and I am pretty sure I bought some 50mm stuff. i can't remember the sheets sizes, but they will be at least big enough for what you want.
keef
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20 Jan 2009 9:08pm
i dont know what your doing with the foam but make sure its not packageing foam the density is very soft
Wineman
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20 Jan 2009 10:55pm
keef said...

i dont know what your doing with the foam but make sure its not packageing foam the density is very soft


Me thinks he's making NOSE PROTECTOR for one of his favourite boards

Hope it works good Des
Waiting4wind
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20 Jan 2009 10:59pm
Making bits for the car actually. ....My other passtime.
mineral1
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20 Jan 2009 9:02pm
Wineman said...

keef said...

i dont know what your doing with the foam but make sure its not packageing foam the density is very soft


Me thinks he's making NOSE PROTECTOR for one of his favourite boards

Hope it works good Des


To save a heap of pain, check you local JP dealer, they have this system(I have Uni pack on my x-cite) and they are bloody brilliant
http://www.jp-australia.com/2008/index.php?id=60
Package has all parts to fit different nose shapes.
Waiting4wind
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21 Jan 2009 12:03am
Here's what I'm doing, and of course it's ultimately to do with windsurfing. Since my windsurfing wagon is not available at the moment the Subaru is the current WS vehicle.

The only problem is that it's got this big f*** off spoiler on the back which means I can barely open the boot then the gear is on top.


I've taken the top section of the spoiler off (about 2/3 rds of it), so it now it clears the gear. To cover up the holes I need to put a cap or plate on top of the horns of the remaining part of the spoiler on the boot lid.

The plan is to shape something out of surfboard foam and then cover it with carbon fibre with a polished finish. I though that would blend in with the black and the look of the car without having to do any painting. I read this article on DIY carbon overlays so I thought I'd give it a go.
keef
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21 Jan 2009 3:52am
Waiting4wind said...


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I've taken the top section of the spoiler off (about 2/3 rds of it), so it now it clears the gear.
how did you take the top of the spoiler off, was it screwed on

Waiting4wind
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21 Jan 2009 11:06am
Keef, it's a two piece thing, joins about 100mm above the piece on the boot. So there is a range of screw holes and openings. (I found it also had a wire tensioner running all the way around through the middle).

So now I need to seal the top sections off. ..
a pic of what it looks like.


Maybe I need to speak to Mr Love on the forum, being the design expert, he can give me some tips on the best shape for the covers.

If I get this right may even look at making some windsurf bits!
keef
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21 Jan 2009 2:36pm
the best way to seal it is to make something to fit over the top, useing say 8mm high density pvc flat sheet foam(thats 3 peices) and shape that,( you can use some gladwrap so that the glass doesnt stick to the job) you shouldnt need carbon just about 4 layers of 1/2" 6oz fiberglass tape on the outside, its easy to work with cos the edges dont fray ,maybe someone elese has some idea's
FormulaNova
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21 Jan 2009 2:27pm
keef said...

...you shouldnt need carbon just about 4 layers of 1/2" 6oz fiberglass tape on the outside, its easy to work with cos the edges dont fray ,maybe someone elese has some idea's


Keef, you are forgetting that its a WRX and the carbon is purely there for the wan 'aesthetic' value .

Des, how will you manage to get around corners with the loss of all that rear downforce? Have you thought about adding to the rear spoiler and lining it up with the roof racks up front. Sure, you would never be able to open the boot but it would look 'sic' (or is that 'sik?). You could also tie your sails and boards to it.
Windxtasy
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21 Jan 2009 3:39pm
Waiting4wind said...

Here's what I'm doing, and of course it's ultimately to do with windsurfing. Since my windsurfing wagon is not available at the moment the Subaru is the current WS vehicle.

The only problem is that it's got this big f*** off spoiler on the back which means I can barely open the boot then the gear is on top.


I've taken the top section of the spoiler off (about 2/3 rds of it), so it now it clears the gear. To cover up the holes I need to put a cap or plate on top of the horns of the remaining part of the spoiler on the boot lid.

The plan is to shape something out of surfboard foam and then cover it with carbon fibre with a polished finish. I though that would blend in with the black and the look of the car without having to do any painting. I read this article on DIY carbon overlays so I thought I'd give it a go.


Well that sure is ambitious.
Cool car too.
It's a new one for the list "You know you're a windsurfing addict when..."
I'm sure there is such a list somewhere on this site...

Waiting4wind
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21 Jan 2009 8:22pm
FormulaNova said...

keef said...

...you shouldnt need carbon just about 4 layers of 1/2" 6oz fiberglass tape on the outside, its easy to work with cos the edges dont fray ,maybe someone elese has some idea's


Keef, you are forgetting that its a WRX and the carbon is purely there for the wan 'aesthetic' value .

Des, how will you manage to get around corners with the loss of all that rear downforce? Have you thought about adding to the rear spoiler and lining it up with the roof racks up front. Sure, you would never be able to open the boot but it would look 'sic' (or is that 'sik?). You could also tie your sails and boards to it.


The carbon is definitely for the wan*/bling factor. Although on the practical side it avoids the painting hassle. The black has a metallic in it so trying to use a normal black will just look like a bad mismatch. I thought the carbon should blend in and avoid the hassle of trying to match paint. Whatever I do it's gotta to look better than the duct tape on there at the moment. I would have taken the whole thing off it it wasn't for the 18 holes it would leave in the boot lid. I had another dude in a WRX Sti drive past me today, gave me a look of disgust when he say the duct taped spoiler...I think I've lost all my street cred now

BTW, I have another session at Eastern Creek in a few weeks time, we'll see how 200 kmh goes without the spoiler.... loosing the weight could help.

Shear Tip, great pic, I now have something to aspire to.

The bits I add on definitely need to be removable as the car has another 14 months on a lease, after which the spoiler goes back on.The lower part has removable panels so you can access the screw holes to bolt on the top piece. I was planning to use those to screw on the new bits. So I'll need to put some plugs in, similar to the fixing points for board foot straps.
keef
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21 Jan 2009 11:02pm
Waiting4wind said...

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The bits I add on definitely need to be removable as the car has another 14 months on a lease, after which the spoiler goes back on..
i think this is the finnish your looking for des, here's a link to moulding parts and it mite be a bit "eltecho" but you will need uv protected epoxy or polyester resin
http://www.hunterdogs.org/GeneralInfo/Articles/MOLDING%20YOUR%20OWN%20CARBON%20FIBER%20COMPONENTS.pdf

Waiting4wind
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21 Jan 2009 11:26pm
keef thanks, good info.
Waiting4wind
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27 Jan 2009 7:31pm
So I got my gear and I'm am now in the test production phase. Probably will end up cheaper if I buy a new spolier but not as much fun. Also a good way to kill many non windy hours.

I have struck a small problem that Chris alluded to......

I made the blanks for the piece I need out of balsa wood because in the end it was easier to get and it isn't affected by surf board resin which I believe has less tendency to yellow.

The problem is that the carbon cloth is relatively stiff so it didn't like to go around corners well and stay down, I used some tape which sort off worked. Could i put a plastic bag over it and tension down (I suppose that's what vaccum baging is all about?).

The cloth was also too stiff to form around the end bits which taper down to the size of a thumb. The carbon cloth just gathered up. I was thinking I could cut away the excess and then rejoin it, but it would probably fray when cut?.

Chris ...Keef or any other experts...suggestions.
FormulaNova
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27 Jan 2009 7:58pm
Waiting4wind said...

So I got my gear and I'm am now in the test production phase. Probably will end up cheaper if I buy a new spolier but not as much fun. Also a good way to kill many non windy hours.

I have struck a small problem that Chris alluded to......

I made the blanks for the piece I need out of balsa wood because in the end it was easier to get and it isn't affected by surf board resin which I believe has less tendency to yellow.

The problem is that the carbon cloth is relatively stiff so it didn't like to go around corners well and stay down, I used some tape which sort off worked. Could i put a plastic bag over it and tension down (I suppose that's what vaccum baging is all about?).

The cloth was also too stiff to form around the end bits which taper down to the size of a thumb. The carbon cloth just gathered up. I was thinking I could cut away the excess and then rejoin it, but it would probably fray when cut?.

Chris ...Keef or any other experts...suggestions.


I'm definitely not an expert, but there are different types of carbon cloth. There is a 'twil', which is a different weave and lends itself to covering non-flat objects. The weave will fit around things with a tight radius much better than the normal cloth.

If you cut the carbon carefully with a sharp pair of scissors it doesn't fray (much) and will blend in easily. I think the sharp scissors are the secret.

One thing that I have done in the past is to lay up the first layer with a covering layer of glad-wrap or similar plastic and then tape it down tightly with masking tape. You end up with bits where the resin is sitting proud of the rest of the surface, but you then sand the whole lot down smooth, without going too far through to the carbon. I think Keef has suggested in the past using plastic cheese wrappers with lots of holes poked through to allow the excess resin to come through. I think for irregular surfaces, that type of plastic wont follow the curves too well.

A suggestion that you often see is that you use a layer or two of fibreglass over the carbon as sacrificial layers to let you sand them, leaving the carbon intact. The fibreglass goes clear when it gets wet out.

After the sanding back to a smooth shape, you can then paint on a layer of epoxy (or in your case polyester), and you should have what you want. When the last coat goes on the carbon, the carbon once again looks shiny.

I haven't asked the fibreglass shops yet about UV stable epoxy, but it must exist. Anyone know of any?








Waiting4wind
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27 Jan 2009 10:29pm
Thanks for the tips. I'm not sure what sort of carbon cloth it is, see picture below. Also you can see the core of the shape I'm trying to cover, it's fairly fine. The carbon finish is purely for cosmetic purposes so strength is not a problem. I might try the plastic cheese wrapper and scissors, seems a straightforward option.



keef
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27 Jan 2009 10:38pm
FormulaNova said...


Keef, you are forgetting that its a WRX and the carbon is purely there for the wan 'aesthetic' value .

Des, how will you manage to get around corners with the loss of all that rear downforce? Have you thought about adding to the rear spoiler and lining it up with the roof racks up front. Sure, you would never be able to open the boot but it would look 'sic' (or is that 'sik?). You could also tie your sails and boards to it.
des wot your looking at is high tech stuff mould ect, to get the carbon efect
http://www.hunterdogs.org/GeneralInfo/Articles/MOLDING%20YOUR%20OWN%20CARBON%20FIBER%20COMPONENTS.pdf
all you need to do is stick some vasoline on the part and get some 8mm h80 divinicell(over sized) from formulanova"lightbolb dale"( he's got enough for 10 generations)and use 5min aroldite and hold it in place till it cures, then sand ,now do the other side, hold till it cures, then do the same thing to the top(drill holes for bolts) (make sure you only have vas on the part)and 5min glue the top, now you can add layers as many as you like (im thinking about shapeing it like your isonic dont take it personal des) or take them off the part and shape to whatever you like, then get some more 5min aroldite and brush on and let it cure, once cured sand and paint in the same auto spray as the car ,from auto pro,the whole job shouldn't take any more than 2 hrs a piece"painted", if i have lost you send me a pm
remember this is only a cosmetic thing till you give the car back


FormulaNova
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27 Jan 2009 9:04pm
[b]keef said...

des wot your looking at is high tech stuff mould ect, to get the carbon efect
http://www.hunterdogs.org/GeneralInfo/Articles/MOLDING%20YOUR%20OWN%20CARBON%20FIBER%20COMPONENTS.pdf

all you need to do is stick some vasoline on the part and get some 8mm h80 divinicell(over sized) from formulanova"lightbolb dale"( he's got enough for 10 generations)and use 5min aroldite and hold it in place till it cures, then sand ,now do the other side, hold till it cures, then do the same thing to the top(drill holes for ...
once cured sand and paint in the same auto spray as the car ,from auto pro,the whole job shouldn't take any more than 2 hrs a piece"painted",
...


Keef, you are missing the 'image' that the carbon look would give. If another WRX owner saw Des' WRX with a painted spoiler they may not appreciate it.

Can you imagine your Hiace van with a full on carbon tailgate? Maybe some carbon infils on the front doors? You could mold in some naca ducts into the doors too

You're right about the amount of divinycell I now have. I think I might just convert all of my boards into twin fins just to make use of it... Hmmm....

Des, by the look of it the corners aren't too sharp in the piece you are working on, so I think a few cuts here and there should solve your problem. You might try a layer of glass over the carbon on a test piece to see if it works for you. It beats sanding through the carbon if you go too far.




keef
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27 Jan 2009 11:19pm
FormulaNova said...

[b]


Keef, you are missing the 'image' that the carbon look would give. If another WRX owner saw Des' WRX with a painted spoiler they may not appreciate it.

yer lightbolb but were talking about isonic des imagine the tail lift you would get with 2 isonics on a wrx




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rfw1
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27 Jan 2009 11:28pm
I have a foam cutting factory all computer controlled in newcastle(redhead beach)
you draw the shape and i can cut it up to 2.5 m+ long use a m or h grade foam and carbon fibre it.
Redhead foamworx or foamworx.net
keef
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do you need a board as a template to cut from
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28 Jan 2009 12:15am
Waiting4wind said...

Thanks for the tips. I'm not sure what sort of carbon cloth it is, see picture below. Also you can see the core of the shape I'm trying to cover, it's fairly fine. The carbon finish is purely for cosmetic purposes so strength is not a problem. I might try the plastic cheese wrapper and scissors, seems a straightforward option.




yes dont use gladwrap cos it is elastic and the fibers will move,and small jobs tape down with painters masking tape ,1 cose it doesnt break, and 2, resin won't stick to it so you dont need to vac bag


Waiting4wind
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28 Jan 2009 9:54am
keef said...

FormulaNova said...

[b]


Keef, you are missing the 'image' that the carbon look would give. If another WRX owner saw Des' WRX with a painted spoiler they may not appreciate it.

yer lightbolb but were talking about isonic des imagine the tail lift you would get with 2 isonics on a wrx


Hmmm, You've just given me an idea...a mini Isonic shaped spoiler in full carbon. I could use different size fins to generate the right down force depending on the track. Have another session booked at Eastern Creek soon better get on to it...

After having played with the bits that I'm trying to make I now appreciate the amount of work the board building process takes. Shaping, laying up, fitting , sanding, painting, fixing stuff ups...... I'll stick to my day job!
Waiting4wind
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28 Jan 2009 10:02am

yes dont use gladwrap cos it is elastic and the fibers will move,and small jobs tape down with painters masking tape ,1 cose it doesnt break, and 2, resin won't stick to it so you dont need to vac bag



Keef thanks, I used a bit of painters tape last time but will need to use more. Messy process. Had resin, tape and bits of rubber glove (tape stuck well to rubber) everywhere. Second time around will be better, fingers crossed.
keef
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28 Jan 2009 10:34am
Waiting4wind said...

Thanks for the tips. I'm not sure what sort of carbon cloth it is, see picture below. Also you can see the core of the shape I'm trying to cover, it's fairly fine. The carbon finish is purely for cosmetic purposes so strength is not a problem. I might try the plastic cheese wrapper and scissors, seems a straightforward option.

have you heard the lattest news,NSW has a shortage of sliced cheeze,apparenty there's a guy buying up big so he can use the wrappers, dez dale mentioned the cheeze wrappers what he ment was to use a plastic with the same texture,mainly cos its thin and crispy and you can stick some holes in it and it wont stretch,


Waiting4wind
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28 Jan 2009 2:43pm
keef said...

Waiting4wind said...

Thanks for the tips. I'm not sure what sort of carbon cloth it is, see picture below. Also you can see the core of the shape I'm trying to cover, it's fairly fine. The carbon finish is purely for cosmetic purposes so strength is not a problem. I might try the plastic cheese wrapper and scissors, seems a straightforward option.

have you heard the lattest news,NSW has a shortage of sliced cheeze,apparenty there's a guy buying up big so he can use the wrappers, dez dale mentioned the cheeze wrappers what he ment was to use a plastic with the same texture,mainly cos its thin and crispy and you can stick some holes in it and it wont stretch,



You mean that I don't get to use the scheese in the process. I thought it would make a good squeegee, wouldn't stick to resin and easy to file off.
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