What's this water in a board business?

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sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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29 Nov 2009 6:30pm
I've read several topics that mention water in boards & valves & thingies..
Also while I'm displaying my ignorance..what do the following mast terms mean ?..
IMCS
SDM
RDm
+ sails..?
Xply...
I don't know this language..?
JayBee
JayBee
NSW
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NSW, 714 posts
29 Nov 2009 8:45pm
ICMS - a method of measuring the stiffness of a mast.
www.peterman.dk/mast-imcs-formulas.htm

SDM - Standard diameter mast
RDM - Reduced diameter mast (commonly called a skinny mast)

Xply is a monofilm sandwich with a layer of scrim (or ripstop). Go a google search for "xply and sail" in images.

JB
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
29 Nov 2009 8:40pm
sboardcrazy said...

I've read several topics that mention water in boards & valves & thingies..
Also while I'm displaying my ignorance..what do the following mast terms mean ?..
IMCS - Indexed Mast Check System (I think that's right. I've heard it referred to as other things) Its a measure of the overall stiffness of a mast. They support it at the ends, hang 30kg at the centre and measure the deflection. Then they do a calc that normalises the deflection with respect to a 460 mast so that the number you get will be true for that mast even if you shorten it. It has nothing to do with bend curve.
SDM
RDm
+ sails..?
Xply...
I don't know this language..?


Water in board is exactly that. Its supposed to be dry in there. If its full of water it will sink :) No, I lie. Weight is half the problem. The other half is water vapour damage. If the board has water in it and its sealed when it gets hot either lying in the sun or worse, in a closed car, the water vapour pressure will blow the board up sort of like a baloon. The skin will detach from the core at a weak point and you will get a big bulge like a blister 30 cm wide. This always happens on the bottom commonly around the fin area and its a pain to fix.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
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29 Nov 2009 7:26pm
I can tell you from recent experience that water in a board makes the styrofoam break apart.

I am still repairing a board that had bubbles coming out of the footstrap inserts. When I cut out the old inserts and looked in there the styrofoam was soaking and came apart quite easily.

In fact the more I look at the way some boards are made I wonder if they intend them to fail after a number of years... who would have thought?

sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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29 Nov 2009 10:39pm
How long have boards had vents ? Do they all have them & if so where are they & is it easy to tell if you have a water problem..?
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
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29 Nov 2009 7:53pm
Boards have vents when they use expanded polystyrene. I believe this is meant to reduce the stresses caused if a board repeatedly expands and contracts with temperature changes.

I am not sure if other foams (polyurethane or extruded polystyrene) also need vents.

Expanded polystyrene is an open cell foam and will absorb water easily.

Having said all this, I think ASA (plastic) boards also have a polystyrene core, but they don't have vents. I don't know why.
Windxtasy
Windxtasy
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29 Nov 2009 9:47pm
Sue, I can't believe you have been hanging around this forum all this time and haven't worked out what those abbreviations stand for.
decrepit
decrepit
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29 Nov 2009 10:08pm
If the core is open cell, and the air pressure out side is less than the air pressure inside the board, all the air in the board can travel to any weak point, causing a big delam. If it's closed cell foam, the air is not free to travel around, (and nor is water for that matter), so delamination is not a problem. Also if the pressure inside is less than that outside, and there is a small hole, it will suck in thru the hole, if that's under water, the board can get very wet inside!!!
This adds to weight, I'm not convinced it deteriorates the foam though. I think the foam damage and the leak were caused by the same thing, there's water in there because there's mechanical damage not vice versa.

Some of the old plastic boards I've worked on were closed cell poly urethane, but I haven't pulled many apart.

Old polyester/urethane (for some reason commonly termed "fibreglass boards") boards are closed cell so don't suck in water or delam due to heat.

Most modern boards are expanded styrene core (open cell), with a sandwich skin. The sandwich usually has fibreglass on the outside, and either high density foam or timber on the inside, (there's just as much fibreglass in a modern board as an old board, so distinguishing between the two by calling one of them "fibreglass" isn't very accurate.) There's also varying amounts of carbon, and or kevlar at stress points.

This form of construction is much lighter than the old way, but does need a vent of some sort.
Although I have seen boards that are fairly old made this way without vents, and no problems, but these are painted plain white with no graphics.
Gestalt
Gestalt
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14953 posts
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30 Nov 2009 12:14am
my new board arrived today with vent not drilled out.

was told to always leave it upside down on the beach and drill the vent if i fly anywhere.

i guess i better not leave it in the car either.
decrepit
decrepit
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29 Nov 2009 10:24pm
So gesty, is it a pure white board????
Gestalt
Gestalt
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30 Nov 2009 12:25am
nope, but the bottom is.

but i am nervous..... i agree with what you wrote above.
decrepit
decrepit
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29 Nov 2009 10:56pm
Yes the car would be the killer, may be best to drill it just to be sure.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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30 Nov 2009 8:25am
Sue, I can't believe you have been hanging around this forum all this time and haven't worked out what those abbreviations stand for
Had a rough idea but wanted it clarified.Had only read re mast abbreviations once.
Leech
Leech
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30 Nov 2009 8:32am
While you're in the mood for learning new things, try out the "Quote" button.

To save you cutting, pasting, bolding other people's comments you want to reply to, click the "Quote" button contained within their post. Start typing at the bottom of the autotext that's generated.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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30 Nov 2009 11:23pm
Thanks Leech..I'm a bit lazy & don't have the time to learn a lot of forum technique..I still haven't worked out how to do a search for topics here.The few times I've tried I end up with nil results so gave up..
NotWal
NotWal
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30 Nov 2009 11:32pm
Gestalt said...

my new board arrived today with vent not drilled out.

was told to always leave it upside down on the beach and drill the vent if i fly anywhere.

i guess i better not leave it in the car either.


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