What to use to repair hole in board

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Walt
Walt
264 posts
264 posts
13 Mar 2007 5:03pm
Hi,

I have recently purchased a new board two months old and I have dinged it against my garage wall and have chipped the back.

The hole is about the size of between a pea and a grape, however I am concerned because I can see the (yellow) mesh under the painted layer

I am confident that this will not compromise the board, but do need to repair the hole before the next outing.

I have upgraded from a fiberglass board which was easy to repair because I knew what to us to repair it so this new board is made with the new material and I am not sure what to use, so any advise is appreciated.

These new boards are very sensitive to dings I hope this is my only mishap.

Regards
Walt
westozwind
westozwind
WA
1418 posts
WA, 1418 posts
13 Mar 2007 5:33pm
Hi Walt,
The board lady
boardlady.com/
may have what you are looking for. There are also a few on this forum that have plenty of knowledge on board repairs.
Susie
Susie
SA
837 posts
SA, 837 posts
13 Mar 2007 9:15pm
I've got a mental blank but if you ask Snapperpoint there is something ..epoxy ?:?: I think you mix 2 things together (you gotta forgive me Im a girl) and its gray and really ugly, but you mix it together under water and its plumbers stuff but 100% waterproof afterwards - any plumbers out there????? it was a plumber who put us on to it. Its cheap and one pack will last you forever and it definitely works and is definitely waterproof. You can always paint over the gray stuff. Sorry cant remember what its called....... its.....<????
holgs
holgs
WA
303 posts
WA, 303 posts
13 Mar 2007 9:06pm
I only do fairly small repairs to my boards, so no expert. But you can repair your epoxy board just like your old fibreglass board except you must not use polyester resin (destroys the EPS foam core). Instead use epoxy resin.

For little repairs like that I use epoxy filler which is thick and white in colour. Easy to apply and easy to sand. Usually cheaper from your local ship's chandlery than a repair kit from a windsurfing shop.
Don't get it on your skin or breathe the fumes. Much worse for your health than polyester (fibreglass) resin - just ask any board builder.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
13 Mar 2007 9:21pm
Sooz, you are thinking of Quiksteel. It is a stick of 2 part epoxy putty that contains metal filings. Strong and will do, but not ideal. BTW, it can be applied under water, you not have to mix it underwater.
Same thing but designed for the job is an epoxy ding stick available at any sailboard shop..... 2 part epoxy but without the metal etc.

The ding stick is fine to basically stop the water getting in abd kinda hold things together, but by itself it is not structural really (and not pretty.)

Walt... what is the board? Where is the ding... on the deck or the bottom near the tail, or right on the tail itself ??

Also is it the size of a pea.... or a grape? That is about the borderline between doing a temp repair or having to do a proper one, I think.
For EG if you imagine drilling a hole the size of a pea (8mm ish) into your tail for 4mm depth... I mean longitudinally up the board's centreline... right on the point of the tail. Then you could live with some ding stick (2 part epoxy putty) applied well, wet your finger to smooth it out.... it will stick out like dog's balls but work just fine.
However if you out a hole in the bottom (lets say 2 up from the tail) and it is the size of a grape (15mm dia and about 7-8mm deep) then there is no way I'd go ding stick. Use glass cloth, epoxy resin such as West 105/206, and a filler such a Q-cell...... as per Eva's method on boardlady.com.


Susie
Susie
SA
837 posts
SA, 837 posts
14 Mar 2007 11:49am
No its called FERROPRO or something like that. Really good stuff. And you do have to mix it under water and keep it really wet as you apply it. Its grey, dont think there is any metal filings Mark. And its not pretty either.
Walt
Walt
264 posts
264 posts
14 Mar 2007 3:30pm
Hi

Susie, your ferropro product sounds like I need a skuba diving certificate to apply it to the board underwater.

Looks like there is this product called epoxy stick it is a putty sort of thing and when you take it out of the tube you mix it with your fingers and apply it to smallish hole only. and it sets rock hard in minutes not bad stuff for a smallish ding and sound easy to apply.
(sort of the thing you Mark Australia was talking about)
So I will take a look at the hardware tonight and try to find this epxoy stick, will keep you guys posted, Thanks.
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
14 Mar 2007 5:57pm
Walt,

I've got two words for you, "board" and "bag". Or is it one word, "boardbag"?

Regards,
Harrow.
staffan
staffan
NSW
79 posts
NSW, 79 posts
14 Mar 2007 6:05pm
If it is a small chip and not a solid crack in to the core of the board you can use gelcoat. Gelcoat is polyester based and as long as you keep it away from the foam it is really good for small cracks and chipping. It sets very hard and white and can easily be sanded back. You can pick it up from any boat shop.

Remove all flakes and loose bits, if the chip is a bit bigger cut some fiberglass strands in to small pieces and mix these in with the gelcoat and hardener. Apply just enough to fill the crack and then put duct tape or similar on top of it. Press on the tape to force the gelcoat in to the crack. The duct tape will keep the gelcoat in place.

Let it set, takes about 30 mintues but leave it an hour to be sure. Remove the tape and if you did not use too much gelcoat you don't even need to sand it back.

If there is a crack in to the foam of the board then you must not use gelcoat, but the way you explained it, it sounds like you chipped it only.

Good luck

Walt
Walt
264 posts
264 posts
14 Mar 2007 4:09pm

I've got two words for you, "board" and "bag". Or is it one word, "boardbag"?

Regards,
Harrow.

Hi Harrow,
Nice to hear from you.
I do have a boardbag but I took the board out of the bag to change the foot straps and when I slid the board out it hit the garage wall and the ding appeared.

Regards
Walt.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
14 Mar 2007 5:32pm
Walt, at the hardware store you will find Selley's "Knead it" which is the stuff. It is not marine but will do as it is not in water much. Howeevr for the same price a WS shop will sell you one that si a marine 2 party putty specifically for WS boards etc.
DO NOT buy any epoxy that needs a UV cure it is crap.

Sooz Ferro menas iron / steel so what you are talking about would be very similar to Quicksteel. They are the same as the 2 part epoxy ding sticks like Seley's KneadIt, but are designed for plumbing and cars.... so why not just use the one that is designed for WS boards / boats etc....? It is same price or cheaper.
The only reason they say to mix underwater is so it doesn't stick to your fingers. A rag with a bit of acetone takes care of the fingers after application.

If you take Staffan's approach and use gelcoat from a boat supplies joint (I wouldn't, but anyway...) they also do an epoxy gelcoat so why risk polyester gelcoat.
plev
plev
QLD
181 posts
QLD, 181 posts
14 Mar 2007 11:27pm
Master card / Visa etc., etc.
P.C_simpson
P.C_simpson
WA
1492 posts
WA, 1492 posts
16 Mar 2007 10:40am
hi walt, i repair at lease one board a week, for a small hole you can ding stick it. but this is only a quick fix, permanent you use epoxy resin or a filler like K&H gel coat repair and the colour is sprayed on using a 2 pac paint like automotive paint.
Susie
Susie
SA
837 posts
SA, 837 posts
16 Mar 2007 7:59pm
Originally posted by Mark _australia

Sooz Ferro menas iron / steel so what you are talking about would be very similar to Quicksteel.
Mark, as I was driving around the countryside (ask the Leyland brothers) I was thinking to myself, hmmmm you STUPID woman ferro means iron, therefore probably the same STUFF!!! sorry Mark. Might have to get some of that proper stuff myself, Just found a small ding.
jord070
jord070
WA
1109 posts
WA, 1109 posts
17 Mar 2007 12:45am
go to super cheep auto and pick up a fiberglassing kit for 15 buks, and a thin of white paint, or wot ever colour your board is, so thats a total of 20 buks, but can fix upto 10 holes wich will come in the futer
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
17 Mar 2007 6:53am
quote:
Originally posted by jord070

go to super cheep auto and pick up a fiberglassing kit for 15 buks, and a thin of white paint, or wot ever colour your board is, so thats a total of 20 buks, but can fix upto 10 holes wich will come in the futer



Make sure it's epoxy not polyester resin though! Epoxy normally has equal amounts of the two ingredients (or 1:2), polyester is more like 1:50.

For small dings, "Aqua Knead-it" is the stuff.
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
17 Mar 2007 10:56am
Is Araldyte any good?
mr bagus
mr bagus
WA
85 posts
WA, 85 posts
17 Mar 2007 9:17am
Well,

Most people who buy new boards also get covers to prevent this, as most damage occurs OFF the water.

Suggest you get a board bag.............
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
17 Mar 2007 11:15am
Didn't read the whole thread did ya???
A Bomber
A Bomber
QLD
117 posts
QLD, 117 posts
17 Mar 2007 4:47pm
quote:
Originally posted by Harrow

Is Araldyte any good?



yepah, as far as i know araldite is just a trademark name for an epoxy product, so as not to scare the plebs off using epoxy for sticking their plebish things together. but it doesnt sound anywhere near as cool, so you will need to cover the labels if its going in your windsurfing repair kit...
snides8
snides8
WA
1731 posts
WA, 1731 posts
17 Mar 2007 6:27pm
susie,
the stuff the plumber told you about was 'ferropre' it does not contain any metal, how ever it is used for general plumbing works like joining cast iron pipe work etc
as far as i know you should be able to use it in small repairs as it is an epoxy filler- 'megapoxy' is a another similar product.
the smallest quantities you can buy this stuff in is 1ltr cans at around $40.00 bit expensive for 1 off jobs.
and yes it is definetly better to mix this stuff under water with rubber gloves.
Walt
Walt
264 posts
264 posts
19 Mar 2007 2:52pm
HI all,

I would like to say thanks to everyone that suggested all of the products out there so your advise has been excellent.

I have patched the hole using the epoxy stick and another very small hole using a James Hardie product call Hydrepoxy 501 waterproof adhesive, it is a two part mix and set rock hard but it takes several hours to cure, so these are the two products I ended up using.
So thanks again for helping me solve yet another question.
Good sailing to you all,

Kind Regards
Walt
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