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Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
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WA, 4019 posts
15 Jan 2009 12:19am
I need a short tutorial on mast types. I have taught my son to windsurf and he is just about at the level where we will want to go out at the same time but he will probably want a smaller sail. I have two boards and a number of sails but only one mast and boom. I need another mast but I don't know what to get. Is the type important? What does IMCS mean? Does it matter?
My sails are Gaastra sails 1990's vintage.
Any recommendations? I would prefer a two piece mast.
Thanks
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
15 Jan 2009 12:48am
IMCS refers to the stiffness, these days it's pretty standard (a 430 is IMCS 21, a 460 is 25, a 490 is 29 etc).

In modern sails, bend curve is more important than IMCS, however most companies don't publish their bend curves, and sometimes they change them without telling anyone Luckily there are sites online that have all the lowdown on everything you need to know.


If your sails are older than 2000, then it probably won't make much difference what type of mast you get, just get one that fits!


Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
4019 posts
WA, 4019 posts
15 Jan 2009 9:39am
Thanks. What online sites should I look at?
nobody
nobody
NSW
437 posts
NSW, 437 posts
15 Jan 2009 11:51am
nebbian said...

IMCS refers to the stiffness, these days it's pretty standard (a 430 is IMCS 21, a 460 is 25, a 490 is 29 etc).

In modern sails, bend curve is more important than IMCS, however most companies don't publish their bend curves, and sometimes they change them without telling anyone Luckily there are sites online that have all the lowdown on everything you need to know.


If your sails are older than 2000, then it probably won't make much difference what type of mast you get, just get one that fits!

Yet another reason why the windsurfing industry struggles. If the manufacturers can agree on IMCS, I can't understand why they won't try to do it for bend curve.

nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
15 Jan 2009 12:58pm
Windxtasy said...

Thanks. What online sites should I look at?


You'll be sorry you asked

www.peterman.dk/start-windsurfing-gb01.htm
sailquik
sailquik
VIC
6171 posts
VIC, 6171 posts
15 Jan 2009 3:53pm
nobody said...

nebbian said...

IMCS refers to the stiffness, these days it's pretty standard (a 430 is IMCS 21, a 460 is 25, a 490 is 29 etc).

In modern sails, bend curve is more important than IMCS, however most companies don't publish their bend curves, and sometimes they change them without telling anyone Luckily there are sites online that have all the lowdown on everything you need to know.


If your sails are older than 2000, then it probably won't make much difference what type of mast you get, just get one that fits!

Yet another reason why the windsurfing industry struggles. If the manufacturers can agree on IMCS, I can't understand why they won't try to do it for bend curve.




Well, it is not quite that simple. The IMCS numbers quoted are pretty nominal. Just because the number on the mast says IMCS 21 does not make that mast exactly IMCS 21 and they usually fall in a range up to a couple of points either side. Not much different to bend curves really............
Because there is often quite a bit of variation between batches, even in the same brand, a snapshot testing of just one or two masts in a given model is still often a bit inconclusive, especially compared with other batches.
Who knows what allowance for variation from spec is considered acceptable by the mast factory?
The only way to really know for sure what you have is to actually test it. A tedious exercise that doesn't help much anyhow as you can't change it anyway. All you can do is try different masts to find what you like best. I admit, I am a bit of a mast collector.........
nobody
nobody
NSW
437 posts
NSW, 437 posts
15 Jan 2009 5:18pm
sailquik said...

nobody said...

nebbian said...

IMCS refers to the stiffness, these days it's pretty standard (a 430 is IMCS 21, a 460 is 25, a 490 is 29 etc).

In modern sails, bend curve is more important than IMCS, however most companies don't publish their bend curves, and sometimes they change them without telling anyone Luckily there are sites online that have all the lowdown on everything you need to know.


If your sails are older than 2000, then it probably won't make much difference what type of mast you get, just get one that fits!

Yet another reason why the windsurfing industry struggles. If the manufacturers can agree on IMCS, I can't understand why they won't try to do it for bend curve.




Well, it is not quite that simple. The IMCS numbers quoted are pretty nominal. Just because the number on the mast says IMCS 21 does not make that mast exactly IMCS 21 and they usually fall in a range up to a couple of points either side. Not much different to bend curves really............
Because there is often quite a bit of variation between batches, even in the same brand, a snapshot testing of just one or two masts in a given model is still often a bit inconclusive, especially compared with other batches.
Who knows what allowance for variation from spec is considered acceptable by the mast factory?
The only way to really know for sure what you have is to actually test it. A tedious exercise that doesn't help much anyhow as you can't change it anyway. All you can do is try different masts to find what you like best. I admit, I am a bit of a mast collector.........

Yes, but some manufacturers are not even trying to conform to any particular bend curve but are staying with their proprietary curve. This makes it difficult for everyone, especially windsurfers who don't necessarily want to be locked into one brand. I believe the manufacturers believe they can hold you to their brand if they keep separated. In reality I believe they are more likely to isolate themselves from potential customers who already have other brand masts or sails.
sailpilot
sailpilot
QLD
787 posts
QLD, 787 posts
15 Jan 2009 5:54pm
nebbian said...

Windxtasy said...

Thanks. What online sites should I look at?


You'll be sorry you asked

www.peterman.dk/start-windsurfing-gb01.htm


Interesting site nebs,
I was amused by the article on lies we're told by the big manufacturers. It certainly makes you think a little harder about who to support with your hard earned $$$
Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
4019 posts
WA, 4019 posts
15 Jan 2009 9:28pm
nebbian said...

Windxtasy said...

Thanks. What online sites should I look at?


You'll be sorry you asked

www.peterman.dk/start-windsurfing-gb01.htm


Well I'm not sorry I asked, I did well at physics and there is a heap of useful information there. It will take some time to digest it all though.
It does seem that quite a large difference in IMCS makes only a small difference to the % bend in the mast. Does 3% really make much difference to performance in practice???

I don't think I will worry too much about IMCS, I'll just get a mast of the same length and diameter as the one I already have.
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