Wetsuit for winter

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soyachips
soyachips
NSW
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NSW, 6 posts
4 May 2018 9:42am
Hi there,

Any advice for wetsuits in winter? I live in Sydney and might go south a couple of hours drive so was thinking a 2/3mm wetsuit would be suitable although I do feel the cold? Anything else to consider specific to windsurfing? Good cheap places to buy?

Also I came across a shark visual deterrent technology developed in Perth that looks interesting.

radiator.net/collections/shark-deterrent-surf-range

We're generally not in the water for very long but I do need to learn how to waterstart

Thanks!
Andrew
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
4 May 2018 10:27am
needessentials.com/products/3-2-chest-zip

Quick delivery, well made and good pricing - def worth a look and you wont look like a freakin striped circus clown

Windsurf specific

www.severnesails.com/wetsuit/severne-primo
mathew
mathew
QLD
2167 posts
QLD, 2167 posts
4 May 2018 1:33pm
Aside... this was interesting: needessentials.com/pages/temp-chart
It doesn't take into account wind-chill...

Melbourne can easily remove 5-10 degrees from the air-temp due to the wind coming from the Southern Ocean.
Similar for other areas.
Stretchy
Stretchy
WA
1053 posts
WA, 1053 posts
4 May 2018 11:49am
Building on Mathew's comment, I find that sailing/kayaking spray jackets make a massive improvement to warmth due to the reduction in wind chill. If youre not constantly in the drink, I would rate a spray jacket higher than increasing wetsuit thickness (of course, do both and you will be really toasty!)
mr love
mr love
VIC
2421 posts
VIC, 2421 posts
4 May 2018 2:22pm
I heard Dr Surf on 3RRR talking about needessentials and he said the wetsuits were excellent.
Swindy
Swindy
WA
456 posts
WA, 456 posts
4 May 2018 12:28pm
Stretchy said..
Building on Mathew's comment, I find that sailing/kayaking spray jackets make a massive improvement to warmth due to the reduction in wind chill. If youre not constantly in the drink, I would rate a spray jacket higher than increasing wetsuit thickness (of course, do both and you will be really toasty!)

So that's why kiters wear their boardies over the top of wetsuits.

I got a Gull steamer from England (big name brand over there) on ebay dirt cheap and $12 delivery and only took 7 days. Back zip (my preference) 4,3mm titanium mesh neoprene, super stretchy, comfy and warm. Would only qualify as a spring suit over there but perfect for a Perth winter.
Stretchy
Stretchy
WA
1053 posts
WA, 1053 posts
4 May 2018 1:42pm
Thanks for the memory jog Rog, my jacket was a Gull off Ebay from UK also.
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
4 May 2018 4:52pm
mathew said..
Aside... this was interesting: needessentials.com/pages/temp-chart
It doesn't take into account wind-chill...

Melbourne can easily remove 5-10 degrees from the air-temp due to the wind coming from the Southern Ocean.
Similar for other areas.



I think that's general knowledge to anyone that partakes in winter water activities!

Thats when you put on ya 4/3 , have a cup of concrete and get the **** on with it - if its too cold with the wind chill factor best to head inside for a cup of tea and some needle point
Faff
Faff
VIC
1417 posts
VIC, 1417 posts
4 May 2018 5:57pm
mathew said..
Aside... this was interesting: needessentials.com/pages/temp-chart
It doesn't take into account wind-chill...

Melbourne can easily remove 5-10 degrees from the air-temp due to the wind coming from the Southern Ocean.
Similar for other areas.



Smooth-skinned, windsport-specific wetsuits are the best. Alas, they are too fragile. I had one of these:

https://www.surf-store.com/ion-quantum-semidry-4-3-sk/

Fell apart after a season.
Last winter, I had an Excel Dry-lock chest-zip 4/3. It wasn't warm enough on its own, but this on top (and a hood) made all the difference:

www.xcelwetsuits.com/shop/product/surf/2-1mm-sharkskin-top?color=BLK

It's very form fitting, so buy a size bigger than your wetsuit.
This also looks good: needessentials.com/collections/mens-wetusits/products/front-zip-jacket
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
NSW, 1871 posts
4 May 2018 6:11pm
I've just been looking at winter Windsurfing wetsuits myself. Considering locally available brands such as Ion, Flying OBjects and Severne.
I think that correct fit is very important, but unfortunately no one (in Sydney at least) has a range of stock on hand to try out. I'm tall (more in legs) and have square wide shoulders which seem to be a difficult combination to fit. I always regret ordering clothes on line, so I wouldn't consider a wetsuit without trying first.

ANy thought welcome.
Mr Milk
Mr Milk
NSW
3137 posts
NSW, 3137 posts
4 May 2018 8:43pm
Wearing boots makes a big difference.
A cheaper solution than buying a 4/3 is to wear a 1mm rashie inside a 3/2
powersloshin
powersloshin
NSW
1855 posts
NSW, 1855 posts
4 May 2018 9:51pm
Waiting4wind said..
...
I think that correct fit is very important, but unfortunately no one (in Sydney at least) has a range of stock on hand to try out. ....

ANy thought welcome.



There is a surf shop on Pittwater road in the same block as Windsurf'n snow, they have a lot of stock and they made me try them out.

I am ready to pay 50% extra for ankle zippers and a front zipper ! (down below...)

The chill factor only comes when you get out of the water for a break, that is the time to wear a nice wind jacket and booties
Adam555
Adam555
WA
162 posts
WA, 162 posts
4 May 2018 8:28pm
RipCurl flashbomb 3/2 highly recommend!!
worth trying what ever you buy on as others have suggested
soyachips
soyachips
NSW
6 posts
NSW, 6 posts
4 May 2018 11:14pm
Waiting4wind said..
I've just been looking at winter Windsurfing wetsuits myself. Considering locally available brands such as Ion, Flying OBjects and Severne.
I think that correct fit is very important, but unfortunately no one (in Sydney at least) has a range of stock on hand to try out. I'm tall (more in legs) and have square wide shoulders which seem to be a difficult combination to fit. I always regret ordering clothes on line, so I wouldn't consider a wetsuit without trying first.

ANy thought welcome.


Have you thought about getting separate top and bottoms? Otherwise these people can do custom sizes

www.seatec.com.au/how-to-measure/

anchorwetsuits.com.au/about-us/
But they're in Tasmania
soyachips
soyachips
NSW
6 posts
NSW, 6 posts
4 May 2018 11:15pm
Thanks everyone for the suggestions, lots of good info!
mathew
mathew
QLD
2167 posts
QLD, 2167 posts
5 May 2018 10:21am
If you are cold, more rubber is better... there is no other way around it. [ That statement could be construed in a number of ways... ]

So, wear your winter wetsuit - if you are still cold, put your summer wetsuit over the top... for some 5-7mm of core coverage.
Faff
Faff
VIC
1417 posts
VIC, 1417 posts
5 May 2018 11:01am
mathew said..
If you are cold, more rubber is better... there is no other way around it. [ That statement could be construed in a number of ways... ]

So, wear your winter wetsuit - if you are still cold, put your summer wetsuit over the top... for some 5-7mm of core coverage.



AFAIK, Sydney's water temp doesn't drop below 17.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
19 May 2018 3:08pm
Faff said..

mathew said..
If you are cold, more rubber is better... there is no other way around it. [ That statement could be construed in a number of ways... ]

So, wear your winter wetsuit - if you are still cold, put your summer wetsuit over the top... for some 5-7mm of core coverage.




AFAIK, Sydney's water temp doesn't drop below 17.


It gets to 11 degrees or less if you sail the lakes..
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
19 May 2018 3:13pm
I'm just going through getting a new suit..
I had a Neil Pryde Serene 3/4/5mm that has been great for the last 6 years..unfortunately it split below the armpit and although I glued it at the end of last season it came apart first go..still I think 6 years of heavy use is good value.. I could have got it repaired but it is starting to lose a little bit of flex so I thought a new one would be best.
I was just going to get another but I was told they only make to order now and there is a 6 month wait!
Ordered an Ion in a similar style - semi dry - 4/5mm/ ankle velcro closures/ wind resistant rubber etc . I couldn't get as large as I'd like .. so I'll have to try and see.
They must think all old ducks stay at home in winter and knit. grr
Orange Whip
Orange Whip
QLD
1080 posts
QLD, 1080 posts
19 May 2018 4:58pm
sboardcrazy said..
I was just going to get another but I was told they only make to order now and there is a 6 month wait!



Sounds similar to if you live in AUS and you want to buy a new NP sail
BSN101
BSN101
WA
2390 posts
WA, 2390 posts
19 May 2018 4:00pm
I like the long legs and short arms with a thin wetsuit rashie under. I don't suffer fore arm pump and super Flexi while out. Choose your own thickness and an additional spray jacket for wind chill is a sound idea too.
Severne has exactly these but I hacked an old wettie to be short sleeves.
My new wettie is front zip and worked real well on last session.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
20 May 2018 1:45pm
BSN101 said..
I like the long legs and short arms with a thin wetsuit rashie under. I don't suffer fore arm pump and super Flexi while out. Choose your own thickness and an additional spray jacket for wind chill is a sound idea too.
Severne has exactly these but I hacked an old wettie to be short sleeves.
My new wettie is front zip and worked real well on last session.


What's the advantage of a front zip wettie? I've been told they are really hard to get into?
BSN101
BSN101
WA
2390 posts
WA, 2390 posts
20 May 2018 1:54pm
sboardcrazy said..


BSN101 said..
I like the long legs and short arms with a thin wetsuit rashie under. I don't suffer fore arm pump and super Flexi while out. Choose your own thickness and an additional spray jacket for wind chill is a sound idea too.
Severne has exactly these but I hacked an old wettie to be short sleeves.
My new wettie is front zip and worked real well on last session.




What's the advantage of a front zip wettie? I've been told they are really hard to get into?


Maybe a little harder but still ok.
Better seal around the neck so less water coming into the suit that way. Water pools at my ankles so I have a small drain hole there for it to release and not give me elephant ankles.
I wear a neo rashie when it's colder and my WWA rashie all other times
Dezza
Dezza
NSW
956 posts
NSW, 956 posts
20 May 2018 4:47pm
Sue I bought the Ion womens amp 4/3 suit with a back zip last winter, I find it slightly harder to do up as it has a neck seal that you need to pull up your back and over your head before doing up the zip, whereas my 3/2 suit with chest zip is quite easy to get into and pull over head from the side, once you've done it a couple of times its straight forward, and the chest zip is definitely warmer than a 3/2 suit I had previously with a back zip.
R1DER
R1DER
WA
1474 posts
WA, 1474 posts
20 May 2018 8:00pm
I got one of the first Severne steamers with a back zip 3:2 for Perth a while ago maybe 2 yrs, great wetsuit, what I like most is the loose fit arms. No more cramps after a few hours winter sailing. None.
Faff
Faff
VIC
1417 posts
VIC, 1417 posts
21 May 2018 9:57am
What's great about chest zips:

a) The zip unlikely to get stuck. Happened to me twice with a back zip and with nobody around to help... and me busting for a... That's 2 wrecked wetsuits.
b) A lot less water flushing down your neck (if at all).
c) You can open the zip to let water in when you start overheating.
Brienno
Brienno
30 posts
30 posts
23 May 2018 4:13pm
I bought a 5mm wetsuit to be used in the chilly alpine lakes in the summer. Unfortunately I bought a back zip one: big mistake! Every time I try a waterstart, a half liter of icy water, directly from a glacier, flows through the neck opening, and my thoughts go to the mother of the guy who designed it. Couldn't she have an headache, that night?

To resume: buy a chest zip one. They are a bit more difficult to wear, but fit their purpose of keeping you warm.
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