Weed fins V freeride

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sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
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19 May 2011 9:00am
I'm thinking of getting a weedfin. If I usually use a 30cm freeride fin on my board for 20kts what size weedfin do I need to get similar performance ( pointing , lift etc). Does it vary with brand? I already have about 9 fins..grr most useless as they are 90's ones that only suit my Caveman board..so I will try & get one weedfin in my most used size..
eckas
eckas
NSW
323 posts
NSW, 323 posts
19 May 2011 12:55pm
I ride a 76cm wide freeride board with 7.4 and 6.6m sail mostly. The standard upright fin is 44cm long and feels beautiful - really grippy and 'squirty' to pump and drive off. I bought the biggest Select Weed fin I could (XXL) and while it solves the weed problem, it still isn't a shade on the stock upright fin for grip on the water, upwind pointing and lift.

A windsurf with a weedfin is better than no windsurf, but my experience is that it's still materially suboptimal to a windsurf with an upright fin.

Good luck
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
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19 May 2011 2:17pm
Hi Sue,

I sometimes use a weed fin when I have to. I find the ride quite different. It doesn't feel as fast but somehow feels smoother as if the back of the board feels like its sucked into the water a bit, rather than out of the water with a freeride/pointer fin.

In choppy water the weed fin is quite good but in flat water feels quite boring and slow. Last Saturday I used a weedfin at Canton Beach and when planing it felt like sailing in slow motion. My top speed was only 20 knots. Of course the wind was a bit crap and no where near the forecast strength.

I too have a Select Weed fin. Perhaps thats the issue but I don't have the skill, tools or area to make my own weedfins. Perhaps I need a bigger weed fin as it feels better in stronger winds.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
19 May 2011 3:30pm
Mobydisc said...

Hi Sue,

I sometimes use a weed fin when I have to. I find the ride quite different. It doesn't feel as fast but somehow feels smoother as if the back of the board feels like its sucked into the water a bit, rather than out of the water with a freeride/pointer fin.

In choppy water the weed fin is quite good but in flat water feels quite boring and slow. Last Saturday I used a weedfin at Canton Beach and when planing it felt like sailing in slow motion. My top speed was only 20 knots. Of course the wind was a bit crap and no where near the forecast strength.

I too have a Select Weed fin. Perhaps thats the issue but I don't have the skill, tools or area to make my own weedfins. Perhaps I need a bigger weed fin as it feels better in stronger winds.



I was wondering if you got a sail at Canton..Thats why I want one so I can sail there in winter.I'm told the water isn't very deep so if I come off it's just a beach start or not a deep start..?( not as cold..)
pepe47
pepe47
WA
1382 posts
WA, 1382 posts
19 May 2011 1:41pm
Hi Sue, you can go for a 30cm weed fin which will be almost the same (lift and speed) but will give you a softer feel with the board.
The measurement will be different, the overall length would be 42.3 cms @ 45 degrees. But they measure from the hull to the fin tip. Most weed fins are manufactured at 45 degrees but some offer a bit of a trade off (lift wise) at 40 degrees, ie: True ames santa barbara weed, different types of weed will be better dealt with by different angles on a fin.
Maui fin co, have a 30cm weed burner which is a great little fin and I recall getting past 31 knots for the first time at a place called "cheese graters" (that's another story). The good thing about buying a g10 fin over a polycarbonite one, is if you damage the leading edge it can be repaired easily with some wet and dry paper. Carbon and polycarbonate fins tend to shatter.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
19 May 2011 6:39pm
I'm going to borrow a 30cms one and if I like the area I might order a maui one as the 24cm move I got from them is great..
GazMan
GazMan
WA
848 posts
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20 May 2011 1:24am
Got my first ever weed fin last Dec (been windsurfing since 1984!). Have borrowed one previously but was never too keen to buy as I like to be able to drive off the fin which doesn't really happen with a weedie like it does with a decent freeride, freerace or slalom fin. Bit the bullet as weed was much more of a problem around here early in the season compared to previous years (usually avoided weedy areas at all costs!).

Decided on a 28cm Choco Weed Freerace which appeared to be very close to the same surface area as my 28cm Fanatic Hawk fin:
http://www.chocofins.com/fins/weed/weedfreerace/

Really noticed straight away that the weed fin killed the lift and drive off the fin when using my 5.9, particularly in marginal conditions where the std curved 28cm freeride fin provided much more drive and upwind potential (weed fin also appeared to make the board less reactive). Did try the weedie with 5.3, as well as 4.5 in way too much wind and chop for my 93L board where the weed fin proved it's worth by keeping the board down on the water much better (due to decreased fin lift) as well as shedding a huge amount of usually annoying weed!

Sue,

Suggest that a 30cm weedie would probably be ok in 20knots but since it's hard to get a 'consistent' 20knts all the time, if you sail much of your time in winds up to 20kts then a slightly larger 32cm weedie would give you a bit more lift and drive without sacrificing control (you've got a Tabou Rocket 95, is that right?).
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
20 May 2011 10:35am
GazMan said...

Got my first ever weed fin last Dec (been windsurfing since 1984!). Have borrowed one previously but was never too keen to buy as I like to be able to drive off the fin which doesn't really happen with a weedie like it does with a decent freeride, freerace or slalom fin. Bit the bullet as weed was much more of a problem around here early in the season compared to previous years (usually avoided weedy areas at all costs!).

Decided on a 28cm Choco Weed Freerace which appeared to be very close to the same surface area as my 28cm Fanatic Hawk fin:
http://www.chocofins.com/fins/weed/weedfreerace/

Really noticed straight away that the weed fin killed the lift and drive off the fin when using my 5.9, particularly in marginal conditions where the std curved 28cm freeride fin provided much more drive and upwind potential (weed fin also appeared to make the board less reactive). Did try the weedie with 5.3, as well as 4.5 in way too much wind and chop for my 93L board where the weed fin proved it's worth by keeping the board down on the water much better (due to decreased fin lift) as well as shedding a huge amount of usually annoying weed!

Sue,

Suggest that a 30cm weedie would probably be ok in 20knots but since it's hard to get a 'consistent' 20knts all the time, if you sail much of your time in winds up to 20kts then a slightly larger 32cm weedie would give you a bit more lift and drive without sacrificing control (you've got a Tabou Rocket 95, is that right?).


Yep but if its really gusty especially if I can find somewhere flat I would be using my 125ltre Rocket..If it doesn't have too many lulls the 95 will be used - I like the way the 125 will keep going through the lulls..Still if its gusty but 20kt average I'd be using a 30cm fin in either board.The weedfin I can borrow is a 30cms one.I don't really know what Canton is like.
jimbob SA
jimbob SA
SA
1000 posts
SA, 1000 posts
20 May 2011 10:22am
Sue, see if you can borrow a JP weedie to try, I use a 36 in my 117 litre board and have no trouble using it with my 6.7 and 5.8 race sails, does over 30 easy goes upwind well and no spinout or control issues when it picks up. most of the WA guys use these fins as well, and there is also a 31 avaliable, I only use weedies all the time you just need to run your mast track back a bit more and even maybe your straps back a hole.
the only down side with weedies is they can scar your boom grip if dragging it around the back of the board in the water.
GazMan
GazMan
WA
848 posts
WA, 848 posts
20 May 2011 6:26pm
One very knowledgeable guy in a local windsurf shop who I would usually trust to give good advice suggested going for a weedie 4cm longer than a freeride fin of the same length, though I obviously didn't take much notice, just went for roughly the same area!
GazMan
GazMan
WA
848 posts
WA, 848 posts
20 May 2011 6:35pm
jimbob SA said...

Sue, see if you can borrow a JP weedie to try, I use a 36 in my 117 litre board and have no trouble using it with my 6.7 and 5.8 race sails, does over 30 easy goes upwind well and no spinout or control issues when it picks up. most of the WA guys use these fins as well, and there is also a 31 avaliable, I only use weedies all the time you just need to run your mast track back a bit more and even maybe your straps back a hole.
the only down side with weedies is they can scar your boom grip if dragging it around the back of the board in the water.

I do find that my 28cm weedie goes upwind ok when powered up considering reduced lift compared to same size freeride fin and relatively small surface area, just needs a bit different technique to point with less fin drive happening.

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