Got asked for an opinion, by a fella Whom was charging out at Coros. The other punter was sailing in . Apparently he abused the **** out of him and argued the point on the beach for not giving way to the bloke on the wave

Basically [RULES ARE FOR FOOL AND THE WISE INTERPERATE]

WHEN im chaging out i try to hold a straight line and head at the peak and or what ever presents it self dodging a few foam balls .Also Some people dont want to jump and will take the path of least resiatance (effectivelly manovouring around potential jumps with suttle ajustments on Holding a straight line on the way out.


IN 99 % of cases

The wave rider can let you through/around by hiting the lip a little later,AND OR race through before the punter heading out arrives

Lets face it, your taking a chance expecting some one charging out to drop of the plan, for u to ride a wave right in front of them.All they want to do is get out the back with out getting axed and possiably jump.

Secondaly whos gets more hurt in a collision.

WHO wants a board up under the rib cage from some one coming out ?

NOT ME

Like u said thats why u want to get out the back ,and not stall on the in side, Just the fact u were there is a reason for some people to through a comment as the manouver around you riding the wave.
SO be it.

HOLD YOUR LINE ,PLANNEING OR NOT, Sure enough u will be doing a manover around the same punter with him in the water and or plodding out on your run in.

As everyone knows I'm always up for this argument

King, what about the Ho'okipa rules (which apply to a sh!tload of spots worldwide) that is: going out has right of way but if you are planing out you do not have the right to bugger up somebody's wave ride. Ever.

Reasoning: it is hard to get out, especially if it is big with fluky wind on the inside. However once you are planing comfortably and wanna jump think about the wave RIDER: He has seen the lip but often not the guy heading out. It can be a very dangerous situation: think about where you are looking at the mid point of your bottom turn on a head hi or better wave!!! Downwind and up over your left shoulder. Do you want a guy doing 30kn heading at the same section and he's thinking "hell yeah, big backloop, and that guy on the wave will give way to me cos he has to, I'm going out"

Second part of the reason, you'll understand from big Sunset of Spot days, I'm sure you've been in this situation: you are grovelling IN on your little board cos it is a rockered turny slashy thing but it doesn't plane great..... and a big wave starts building. You drop down the face, it is mast high already and about to break. You are accelerating but have to go down the line and you have to do it NOW or else you're ****ed. You start to bottom turn and then right there, 20m downwind is a euro on a 120L freestyle board so he's planing easy... he is racing out and is going to pull the greatest jump off the section in 2sec time. But it is where YOU need to be in 2 sec time or else you're up for a mast.... a sail.... a swim.... All Mr Easy Planing Euro needed to do was turn downwind 15deg for 3 or 4 sec and you could go where you need to go on the wave. He'll get another jump.

Granted at Corro's it is a bit different as everyone is planing out when they get to the break: it is not offshore fluky like ho'okipa or here. Buuutttt at Corro's there is much more opportunity for jumping with God-knows-how-many breaks on the way out. It is however a bit harder to ride so why not let the dude have his ride and you'll get a jump on the next wave 10 sec later?

NR, I see you're fairly new to the forum.
Glad you agree with Mark, we had this agument a while ago and got jumped on by the rest of Australia. They all think guy going out has right of way period. Took us a while to convince them it's different here. And as Mark says some other big wave spots.

For my 2c I'm with the King - but only because of the location. It's a really hard spot to pick which way a wave rider will go out there, especially with the reform when guys usually head upwind after going downwind on the first break. It does get a bit all over the place & when heading out you really just charge it & are usually presented with a good deal of jumping opp's. Corro's does not really suit the Hookipa rule of wave rider rules as it's a jumping over wave riding type setup.
When sailing at Pt Moore however the Hookipa rule is definately the way to go. On the way out a sailor should head thru the channel away from both breaks & upon gybing choose which peak to attack as they set up & break uniformly, similar to Dutchies, Sunsets, Sth Passage etc etc.
Just an opinion really, I stay outa EVERYONES way as a rule (especially crazy Russians).

AB....

Comrade Big Al
I share wave with you anytime no problem.
I also with the king in regards to Coros... can get very crazy with quantity of sailors

i would definately agree with kingofthepoints view for queenslands poopoo wave conditions as it seems generally much harder to get out than to get in. might be different in hookipa with bigger spaces between waves

Then there's the other problem of the guy that pulls a big backie off the wave infront of the one your riding, only to get blown downwind and by the time he comes down he's landing right where you wanna be for your waveride.

I'm with the king on this one infact WHERE EVER I sail I hold my line when going out thru the break. On the wave I'll always avoid the guy heading out, I can pick my wave out back and it's not that hard to see who is heading out and estimate where they are going to be. The rider giving way rule makes it very hard for greedy snakes who gybe just infront of the braking wave, because as they haven't been able to plan ahead they have to bail to an outgoing person.

I like it "HOLD UR LINE" !

Comrades
I like to be watching who is riding of the waves as I heading back out... you can often be telling what someone is attemp to do on wave... if they hunting for lip for big smacking I say let them be having of it.
If they are just pissting about then you can be lining up big jumping.
At place like Coro I think there is many opportunity for jumping and not as many for smacking of the lip while wave riding... I like to be thinking of this and if i seeing someone charging then I giving of them wide berth and simply charge down wind with more speed looking for next ramp !
By saying of this I not showing more consideration for those who can be of wave sailing well... I looking at every wave and make decision accordingly in reagrding of how it is being ridden and what wave sailor is
A) doing
B) looking to be doing (racing section for big lip smack)

Amen Jesus and Long be living of the King !

Now that's finally clear we just have to re educate the mandurah a couple of the crew
"Beware of the out going man for he holdeth his line" Amen

ZZZzzzzz

Well **** happens Mark. You ****ed up by the sounds of it.

Read the artical about the guy going out HOW he couldnt manouver scored a mast high wave right on the head ,got sucked back over the falls and scored his must up his nose Oh up his ass.

OH and the bloke up wind had 20m of wave face to manouver around me.

You don't read well Kingo do ya? Or maybe you forgot what i said in this thread halfway thru (3 weeks ago?)
I was talking about a guy lining up a jump IE: PLANING!!!!!! and the guy dropping down the face could not go DTL cos the jumper was in the way..... so he HAD TO head straight in towards the beach, instead of down the wave, and copped the lip right on his head. The guy going out IF PLANING can bear away a bit. If he HOLDS HIS LINE (your words) the wave sailor has no options. You can't go bloody upwind if you'r eon the wave, and it is mast hi and 0.5 sec away from breaking. Watch a few hrs of Gnaraloo video footage when it is mast hi. Imagine being right in the section and not being able to go DTL when you NEED to. You'll get smashed every time.

YOU may think you have the rules dialed in, and maybe at Corro's is is fine to do what you want.

(1) I believe in helping the other guy out. If you are heading out and you ALWAYS hold your line (as you are fond of saying) that is not exactly helping out others. What, do you "HOLD UR LINE" (quote from u) even if it sh!ts other people off???

(2) if an instructional video and a magazine article I have read (about rules at DTL spots) have quotes from PRO SAILORS like "going out has right of way, but if you are planing out it doesn't give you the right to stuff up other people's wave rides" ......... I pretty much DARE YOU to go to Ho'okipa and try your "hold your line going out" style. You'd have "PWA was 'ere" branded on your forehead with a broken section of mast I reckon.

Local rules may be going out has right of way.... it may be wave rider has right of way at other spots...... but your "sail in a straight line and others can go around me" is disgusting.

Glad you're pleased

awaiting the flames now

I think the rule is quite simple.

Check the look on the sailor's face. If it is frozen with fear give him/her a wide berth (regardless of their sailing direction).

Mine of course is a 'Magnum' type look, in preparation for my next push loop.