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lee1972
lee1972
QLD
921 posts
QLD, 921 posts
4 Feb 2009 5:53pm
Hey all
Just thought id post a few words on windsurfing fitness. As we get older each session takes its toll, aches and pains are a common occurance in this sport but i think you will agree its more than worth it. Christmas 2006 i managed to get tennis elbow which now should be named windsurfers elbow. For those who have never experienced it your lucky, i couldn't even hold a cup of coffee it was that painfull.
I went to see a doctor who suggested i give up sailing and take three months of work to help my elbows recover.No way bud, i went to see a physio at bondi junction who over a period of months they helped me bring my elbows back to strengh. However to stop this from happening again i have had to do specific excercises on my arms targeting muscle groups associated with this area.

If anything the experience has taught me that to move forward in this great sport i have had to move back to basics, and work on technique before i work on jibes ( the nemesis of most windsurfers) and other moves.

I find that after a session i have alot of lower back and shoulder aches, this was due to a number of reason's, the phisical exertion of windsurfing and lack of strengh and supplness of these areas. We tend to forget to stretch before and after a session which when you think about it is pretty bad, lets say you stay on the water for 45 mins, with water starts, up hauling using your core strengh and legs to control the board while in the harness not to mention all the cardio all this must be equal to one serious session in the gym but the difference is in most cases you would stretch before and after a gym session but why not a windsurfing session. Ok you might look a prat doing streches on the beach or up on the hill over looking botnay with all the picnic posse i dont think it matters if your a pro or a beginner,in this sport if you dont look after yourself you will sooner or later you will suffer ( usually mid 30's)
To help me with my back and shoulders i have taken up a combination of gym excercises and a body balance class which is a combination of yoga,pilates and tai chi, i can honestly say this has done wonders not just for my windsurfing fitness but also my day to day life.
Just recently in Boards magazine ( NOV/DEC) a uk publication they have a article on windsurfing fitness its worth a read, if you like im more than happy to send you a copy. Nothing is more frustrating than sitting on the sidelines because of injury and watching everyone fly up and down botnay bay or in my case up and over ( im the catapult king ) . see you on the water
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
4 Feb 2009 7:06pm
Yeah, I'm a fan of Body Balance too. But I'm too lazy and undisciplined to do that stuff at home. Still a few down dogs, warrior lunges and forward folds go a long way to loosen me up. You'd only have to spend 5 or 10 min on that stuff to get into a significantly improved state for windsurfing.

I've noticed that if I warm up before hand my suppleness improves noticeably and my success rate for quick tacks goes right up.
Trousers
Trousers
SA
565 posts
SA, 565 posts
4 Feb 2009 8:54pm
i love windsurfing and want to spend as much time on the water as i can when it's blowing. i got so many facets to work on to improve and the wind in the capital is not as frequent as i'd like.

originally i took up gym for cross-training to help my sailing. my sail-fitness in general has always been pretty good, so I wanted to improve my strength. it's helped a lots in many areas of sailing like holding down bigger sails in overpowered conditions and hauling the sail to upright after a duck. being a kind of obsessive guy, i'm now really into gym, but i'll always chuck a gym session to sail.
Ellobuddha
Ellobuddha
NSW
625 posts
NSW, 625 posts
4 Feb 2009 9:34pm
Weights using dumbells as often as possible as it builds good strength for those weird positions we find ourselves in when sailing sometimes. Treadmill running to build core bodty strenght
Ellobuddha
Ellobuddha
NSW
625 posts
NSW, 625 posts
4 Feb 2009 9:34pm
pardon my spelling errors
Wannabe
Wannabe
NSW
148 posts
NSW, 148 posts
4 Feb 2009 9:40pm
I find that for speed sailing, a few double quarter pounders with cheese never go astray...
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
4 Feb 2009 8:58pm
Fred Haywood tried that. It didn't work or so I read.
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
TAS, 2317 posts
4 Feb 2009 10:03pm
Yoga really helps. My back gets all messed up unless I get limbered up first. Aslo, takig the odd day off from sailing does wonders.

BTW where is this wondrous "Botnay Bay"?
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biggrin
WA
107 posts
WA, 107 posts
4 Feb 2009 8:07pm
Why do they call them "quarter pounders", is it the fat content? That does it, only whoppers from here on in....
lee1972
lee1972
QLD
921 posts
QLD, 921 posts
4 Feb 2009 9:38pm
its right next to the airport, if you fly into sydney your see it
Wet Willy said...

Yoga really helps. My back gets all messed up unless I get limbered up first. Aslo, takig the odd day off from sailing does wonders.

BTW where is this wondrous "Botnay Bay"?


lee1972
lee1972
QLD
921 posts
QLD, 921 posts
4 Feb 2009 9:39pm
Dont worry about it mate i dont even look at the screen when i type so god knows what my spelling is like!!
Ellobuddha said...

pardon my spelling errors


Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
NSW, 1871 posts
4 Feb 2009 10:54pm
Wet Willy said...



BTW where is this wondrous "Botnay Bay"?


Great flatwater and speed in a NE'er, which has been happening about 4 days per week 20 knots + lately.

Wild B&J sailing in a big southerly.

www.google.com.au:443/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode&ie=UTF8&layer=x&g=botany+bay,+NSW&ll=-33.971837,151.177711&spn=0.147201,0.2211&z=12

Some pics of the sailing action here, another nice 20-30knt day:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=44522
pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
4 Feb 2009 10:54pm
The best fitness for windsurfing is... windsurfing. Like you I have had injuries and lots of pain everytime. I find the following works for me: go at it gradually when you've been off, and never have long break. Simple as that.

So a first session might be medium wind (say 15 knots) back and fro for only 45 minutes. Force yourself to stop. A second 2-3 days later for an hour. Then up the ante gradually, as they say.

I have found exercises and gym useless. Like sex, it develops the wrong muscles.
Krisiz1
Krisiz1
WA
331 posts
WA, 331 posts
4 Feb 2009 10:34pm
Unless you windsurf 3-4 times a week you need to keep fit to sail, not sail to keep fit. I have suffered tennis elbow and was recommended to wear a brace which helped me use it while it recovered. My daughter is a gym instructor and with her help developed a weights routine to compliment windsurfing, although some muscle that you don't use must still be worked to keep you in balance.1 hour per week plus 3 x 30 intense cardio, which can be sailing. At 48 y/o I have no probs sailing non stop for 3 hours (apart from lack of wind!) 5 years ago I struggled to sail for 30 mins! I not boasting just confirming what some guys have said. Also a good diet is essential too. Carrying around fat is just a waste of energy.
nobody
nobody
NSW
437 posts
NSW, 437 posts
5 Feb 2009 2:12am
I found SUP to be quite a good muscle match with windsurfing and good for balance.

I don't windsurf frequently enough to gain a long-term fitness benefit from it.
swoosh
swoosh
QLD
1929 posts
QLD, 1929 posts
5 Feb 2009 1:22am
Windsurfing + Beach Volleyball.

Its a hard life, haha

Swim laps in the off season as well. Swimming I think is good for fitness cause its not high-impact like some other sports, but still gives you a really good workout. Plus being able to swim fast and a good distance without getting tired helps in the surf etc.


Corkers
Corkers
NSW
154 posts
NSW, 154 posts
5 Feb 2009 11:18am
I reckon the most important parts of fitness for a windsurfer are definately core body strength and flexibility. I consider myself to be above average in strength and cardio fitness but have lower back pain at the moment which is a real pain in the ass!! You can have all the fitness in the world but if you got a bad back then its useless. If the wind is blowing strong and consistantly i can settle into my harness nicely and dont have a problem, but when wind is marginal i seem to agravate my back because of the stress on the legs, back, hips, twisting etc(prob my lack of core strength too)...Went to physio recently and am about to embark on a multi weak core strenthening program....costly, but hopefully it will do the trick. Will let you know how i go........ Dont be embarrased about having a stretch on the beach either, personally i got respect for people that do it....
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
NSW, 1871 posts
5 Feb 2009 1:19pm
Krisiz1 said...

Unless you windsurf 3-4 times a week you need to keep fit to sail, not sail to keep fit. I have suffered tennis elbow and was recommended to wear a brace which helped me use it while it recovered. My daughter is a gym instructor and with her help developed a weights routine to compliment windsurfing, although some muscle that you don't use must still be worked to keep you in balance.1 hour per week plus 3 x 30 intense cardio, which can be sailing. At 48 y/o I have no probs sailing non stop for 3 hours (apart from lack of wind!) 5 years ago I struggled to sail for 30 mins! I not boasting just confirming what some guys have said. Also a good diet is essential too. Carrying around fat is just a waste of energy.


Krisiz1 maybe you should share the program. I'm your age so need all the help I can get. I've been fortunate enough to be able to windsurf at atleast 4 days per week and about 4 hours per day for the last 5 or so months. It's been great as I have lost around 7kg's of fat and toned up a few muscles (overworked a few as well). My shoulders and elbows, particularly my left elbow, is feeling a little fatigued. I have been dong a bit of speed stuff, charging down wind starboard tack (my faster side) so the left sheeting arm has been getting more stress I think...because that's the really sore one.

But the holiday is over so not as much sailing to come, therefore I should start doing some other exercise.
Pointman
Pointman
WA
437 posts
WA, 437 posts
5 Feb 2009 1:11pm
Some great comments here .

I'm turning 40 this year and I've been focusing a lot on diet and exercise (dropped 8 kilo since last October ).

I do a mix of cardio (spin classes) and strength training (upper body, mostly free weights). I'm lucky to get on the water twice a week, so the training is essential...it gives me more stamina and the skills stay intact longer when you're not tired (sailed over two hours yesterday in 30K+ without any cramping or soreness).

The other benefit I notice from the strength training is my forearms are a lot stronger and my grip strength is better.

Haven't done much yoga, but my missus is training to be a yoga instructor, so I should take advantage of that too!

Ps: I reckon that eating pies for speedsailing is a crock! Being heavier just means you need to use a higher volume board = more width = slower/scarier in chop. Fat is just excess baggage that screws up your power-weight ratio.



PhilJ
PhilJ
53 posts
53 posts
5 Feb 2009 1:23pm
so why then do speed sailors wear weight jackets?
lee1972
lee1972
QLD
921 posts
QLD, 921 posts
5 Feb 2009 4:44pm
Your lower back problems could be due to your lower abs not been devloped enough so your back and glutus maximus ( or whatever its called) is working overtime trying to do 2 jobs. It sounds like you have a good program set out for you, good luck

Corkers said...

I reckon the most important parts of fitness for a windsurfer are definately core body strength and flexibility. I consider myself to be above average in strength and cardio fitness but have lower back pain at the moment which is a real pain in the ass!! You can have all the fitness in the world but if you got a bad back then its useless. If the wind is blowing strong and consistantly i can settle into my harness nicely and dont have a problem, but when wind is marginal i seem to agravate my back because of the stress on the legs, back, hips, twisting etc(prob my lack of core strength too)...Went to physio recently and am about to embark on a multi weak core strenthening program....costly, but hopefully it will do the trick. Will let you know how i go........ Dont be embarrased about having a stretch on the beach either, personally i got respect for people that do it....


graceman
graceman
WA
323 posts
WA, 323 posts
5 Feb 2009 4:40pm
Get a sliding harness bar.
The back twisting is a well "Pain in the Back".
I went from a slider to a fixed bar and started getting all sorts of aches and pains, on top of the ones I already had.
The slider allows you keep your body in a comfortable position in all winds and I hope these are making a comeback. The kiter crowd only use fixed so I think a lot of harness manafacturers went to fixed for simplicity of production.

Hey pointman, you will need a weight jacket soon
I think Antoine Albeau is 95ks, Finian Maynard 115kg's these are not small fella's and they are real quick
Pointman
Pointman
WA
437 posts
WA, 437 posts
5 Feb 2009 5:49pm
To put the whole weight thing into perspective I used to weigh 115kg. I'm aiming to get down to around 95kg, which is a great weight for speedsailing, and still relatively heavy compared to the average 75-80kg sailor.

At 115kg sure I could hold down some big sails, but sailing in patchy seabreezes on the river being that heavy is a pain in the ar$e.

At least with a weight jacket you can take off the weight when you don't need it!
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
5 Feb 2009 7:41pm
graceman said...

Get a sliding harness bar.

The kiter crowd only use fixed so I think a lot of harness manafacturers went to fixed for simplicity of production.


Yeah I like a sliding bar. Da Kine do those.

I don't think there is any economy in making windsurfing bars the same as kitesurfing bars. There are heaps of different bar constructions. Kiting hooks are different from windsurfing hooks. The kiting ones have a bulge at the end to improve their attachment. If you use one of those for windsurfing you are in danger of getting held under your sail in a twisty catapult.

A nice exercise for windsurfing is doing standing jumps onto picnic tables. Good for cardio and good for pop. (just thought I'd chuck that in)


russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
5 Feb 2009 9:11pm
The kevin Pritchard web site has got a good simple workout plan that covers the winsurfing muscles and can be done in the average shed for very little outlay - skipping rope - physio ball free weights and some sweat.

trying to drop 10KG's myself and this sounds the most achievable I've read

look under "Conditioning"

http://www.pritchardwindsurfing.com/
Bristol
Bristol
ACT
347 posts
ACT, 347 posts
6 Feb 2009 10:30am
Krisiz1 said...

. . . a good diet is essential too . . .

Agree with that. Drink some water before you go out, and especially lots after you've come off the water. Does wonders for muscle recovery.

I've thought about getting a "camelback" for use while sailing - has anyone tried one of these?

Krisiz1
Krisiz1
WA
331 posts
WA, 331 posts
6 Feb 2009 9:25am
Pointman and Corkers are right on the money!
Think about what muscles give up first or are the sorest the next day, they are the ones that need work, but you still have to exercise the opposing group. eg strong bisceps are a bonus for windsurfing but you have to work your triceps otherwise you will end up not being able to straighten your arms! Abdominal strength is the key to solving/preventing lower back problems. Steer clear of sit-ups if you have lower back probs, use a popes chair to do hanging 90 degree leg raises. After going to a chiropractor for 15 years I started exercising on one and have hardly been back in 5 years.
Bent over rows are important for upper back strength, but do them lying face down when you start. It's the same action as sheeting in the boom! It's important too to lay of the fat stuff! ABS ARE MADE IN THE KITCHEN NOT IN THE GYM! 35 - 50 gms of fat is the max for a guy over 40. Read the label on everything you put in your mouth, it will scare you
Forearm cramping or soreness can be prevented by doing a kind of barbell curl (with no weights on the bar) but just flex at the wrist with the forearm in the horizontal position, keeping the forearm still. But don't try this for the 1st time if theres wind forecast tomorrow.
WARNING. I have absolutly no credentials in personal fitness. I just do what works for me. But I am fitter and stronger now than when I was 25 so I'm sticking with it coz I love my windsurfing!!
rick77
rick77
VIC
121 posts
VIC, 121 posts
6 Feb 2009 12:10pm
Any tips for a sore rotator cuff, it's an old surfing injury that flares up from time to time during windsurfing or when on the SUP



ka43
ka43
NSW
3101 posts
NSW, 3101 posts
6 Feb 2009 1:28pm
Bristol, I use a Camelback all the time. Its called the "mule" I think.
Takes 2 liters of fluid and has numerous pockets for small stuff. I have a small downhaul bar, spare rope, sun screen and a waterproof (el cheapo) camera.
If you just keep sipping away I find the water will last around 2-3 hours on the water. Great for hydration.
Especially if you sail at a location that is a long way from the beach or a tap.
Rick77, glucosamine and lots of it.
sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
6 Feb 2009 12:49pm
Bristol said...

Krisiz1 said...

. . . a good diet is essential too . . .


I've thought about getting a "camelback" for use while sailing - has anyone tried one of these?




Have you thought about a camelfront like the one this guys wearing.
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
6 Feb 2009 2:40pm
rick77 said...

Any tips for a sore rotator cuff, it's an old surfing injury that flares up from time to time during windsurfing or when on the SUP




I have occasionally had rotator cuff trouble. I don't know exactly what it was caused by. In the past what has worked for me was to rest it until I could raise my arm without pain, then shoulder exercise with dumbbells - vis: forward raise, lateral raise, overhead press. As long as I do that I don't have any problems.

A physio would probably give you better advice.
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