Speed fins for shallow water?

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Krisiz1
Krisiz1
WA
331 posts
WA, 331 posts
21 Oct 2009 9:26pm
The spring tides have dished up their usual days of minimal water. We have had some great days for speed runs on our local estuary as long as you don't look down, with the bottom is only centimeters below your fin. But there are some large areas that are probably only 20cm deep or less, and even with 20 knots blowing over the top they look as flat as glass!! So what type of fin configuration could be used to take advantage of shallow flat water? Could you say have 3 small speed type fins either in a line or in a thruster configuration?? I have to say I have watched with envy as a couple of kites skimmed across some glassy flat water this week
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
21 Oct 2009 9:36pm
I don't think that inline would work, as the 'downwash' (if that's the right word) from the first fin would affect the fin behind.

Twinsers or trifins would be the way to do things, sort of like how a biplane or triplane works -- lots of surface area for not much span.

If you look to cars for inspiration, sometimes they use a thing called a gurney flap. This increases the lift, and is useful when you're restricted in span. A longer span is more efficient, but since we're chasing flat water... Gurney flaps look horribly inefficient though.

I think that the best solution would be a fin with lots of chord and not much depth, similar to some formula fins that are designed for shallow water.
choco
choco
SA
4181 posts
SA, 4181 posts
22 Oct 2009 8:37am
yeah in that sort of water you would definetly get "break neck" speeds.
elmo
elmo
WA
8890 posts
WA, 8890 posts
22 Oct 2009 6:16am
Little weedies, but very iffy sailing in that kinda shallow water
Dartboy
Dartboy
VIC
172 posts
VIC, 172 posts
22 Oct 2009 11:44am
Mate if you really want to get out on that depth of water at speed I would take up Kiting. Sure beats someone having to wipe your arse for you for the rest of your life
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
22 Oct 2009 12:15pm
Dartboy said...

Sure beats someone having to wipe your arse for you for the rest of your life


I thought thats what kiting is all about.





On topic I once rode a Bonzer board with a bunch of little fins in series. Probably not the fastest of boards but you could sail in very shallow water.




sailquik
sailquik
VIC
6171 posts
VIC, 6171 posts
22 Oct 2009 2:46pm
Hmmm.... what about a folding fin so if you hit the bottom it just retracts upwards and back? I could think of a few places and times I would have liked to have had one here at the PiT!
JEZ
JEZ
WA
395 posts
JEZ JEZ
WA, 395 posts
22 Oct 2009 4:38pm
Ah yes..... the old Mistral Take off!
Twin folding fins..
Guaranteed to entertain when you reached 20 knots..
PeteClifford
PeteClifford
QLD
13 posts
QLD, 13 posts
22 Oct 2009 9:10pm
Here's what I've been working on recently. It's an alloy fin that fits both US box and Tuttle and will kick back if impacted with the sea bottom, reef etc.
The fin is held into the head by sideways pressured applied from the forward bolt.

Hmmm.... what about a folding fin so if you hit the bottom it just retracts upwards and back? I could think of a few places and times I would have liked to have had one here at the PiT!









Krisiz1
Krisiz1
WA
331 posts
WA, 331 posts
22 Oct 2009 9:36pm
Thanks for the input.
PeteClifford, I think you are on to something there! Brilliant.
Regarding the thruster fin configuration: I have an old tri fin wave board. Its as slow as! I have been told its because of the fins. If the fins were more of a speed fin shape rather than a wave fin shape would that help (assuming they were on a slalom type board)? ie could you have a fast board with 3 small fins? If yes, why hasn't anyone done it? There must be heaps of flat water just waiting to be blasted across, aside from the fact its only 6 inches deep!!
Bertie
Bertie
NSW
1351 posts
NSW, 1351 posts
23 Oct 2009 12:44am
coming form somebody who has spent a lot of time off the water after "hitting" the bottom, avoid the shallow stuff.
carefully weigh up if you could afford to have at least 6 months off work or lose ur job if you injure yourself.
alternatively get really good income insurance and good life insurance.
you cant say you haven't been warned.
firiebob
firiebob
WA
3182 posts
WA, 3182 posts
23 Oct 2009 7:57am
PeteClifford said...

Here's what I've been working on recently. It's an alloy fin that fits both US box and Tuttle and will kick back if impacted with the sea bottom, reef etc.
The fin is held into the head by sideways pressured applied from the forward bolt.

Hmmm.... what about a folding fin so if you hit the bottom it just retracts upwards and back? I could think of a few places and times I would have liked to have had one here at the PiT!



Hey Pete is that my fin I want it for Green and for West Aus next year, I'm going crab hunting

elmo
elmo
WA
8890 posts
WA, 8890 posts
23 Oct 2009 8:04am
firiebob said...

PeteClifford said...

Here's what I've been working on recently. It's an alloy fin that fits both US box and Tuttle and will kick back if impacted with the sea bottom, reef etc.
The fin is held into the head by sideways pressured applied from the forward bolt.

Hmmm.... what about a folding fin so if you hit the bottom it just retracts upwards and back? I could think of a few places and times I would have liked to have had one here at the PiT!



Hey Pete is that my fin I want it for Green and for West Aus next year, I'm going crab hunting




Ssswwwweeeeeeeeeetttttt

firiebob
firiebob
WA
3182 posts
WA, 3182 posts
23 Oct 2009 9:11am
elmo said...

firiebob said...

PeteClifford said...

Here's what I've been working on recently. It's an alloy fin that fits both US box and Tuttle and will kick back if impacted with the sea bottom, reef etc.
The fin is held into the head by sideways pressured applied from the forward bolt.

Hmmm.... what about a folding fin so if you hit the bottom it just retracts upwards and back? I could think of a few places and times I would have liked to have had one here at the PiT!



Hey Pete is that my fin I want it for Green and for West Aus next year, I'm going crab hunting




Ssswwwweeeeeeeeeetttttt





PeteClifford
PeteClifford
QLD
13 posts
QLD, 13 posts
23 Oct 2009 5:22pm
Yeah Bob, I've got a few fins for you to try and your next PB is not far away. I had my first try at anodising yesterday and the fin was suppose to be firetruck red. Not a bad shade of pink anyway.
firiebob
firiebob
WA
3182 posts
WA, 3182 posts
23 Oct 2009 4:53pm
PeteClifford said...

Yeah Bob, I've got a few fins for you to try and your next PB is not far away. I had my first try at anodising yesterday and the fin was suppose to be firetruck red. Not a bad shade of pink anyway.


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