Shorter people need shorter harness lines..?

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sboardcrazy
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8 Dec 2009 8:54am
I have adjustable lines from 24 - 30 inches & I feel the 24 inch is too long.Ive moved them apart to try & compensate but I really want to be able to have them a hands width apart as suggested.I raised my boom a bit too ( chin height..? ) but don't want it too high as i have a seat harness..Im 5.6 .( sorry no metric).
I cant seem to use my weight or pull against the harness easily with them the length they are.
easty
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8 Dec 2009 9:10am
sboardcrazy said...

I have adjustable lines from 24 - 30 inches & I feel the 24 inch is too long.Ive moved them apart to try & compensate but I really want to be able to have them a hands width apart as suggested.I raised my boom a bit too ( chin height..? ) but don't want it too high as i have a seat harness..Im 5.6 .( sorry no metric).
I cant seem to use my weight or pull against the harness easily with them the length they are.


It would seem with a high boom, short lines, and a low harness hook height (short person) then your weight is being pulled towards the boom, as you have no leverage over the power in the sail. Make them longer.

petermac33
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8 Dec 2009 8:13am
a good drill to power up harness, meaning not taking your sails power with your arms is..

take backhand off boom + sail for as far as you can.

when you can sail for a km like this your 24 inch lines will be perfect for your height.

sboardcrazy
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8 Dec 2009 12:00pm
I dont have any pull on my arms it just feels like I would like to be able to pull in on the sail more but I feel that the harness lines are too long so I cant. Upwind I dont seem too bad but as I go off the wind to a closereach or more it doesnt feel like I can use my weight..?Maybe the wind wasnt strong enough..?
Bender
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8 Dec 2009 9:18am
sboardcrazy said...

I dont have any pull on my arms it just feels like I would like to be able to pull in on the sail more but I feel that the harness lines are too long so I cant. Upwind I dont seem too bad but as I go off the wind to a closereach or more it doesnt feel like I can use my weight..?Maybe the wind wasnt strong enough..?


By the sounds of it your back harness line could be moved back a bit. By doing this you will be able to committ to the harness more and reap the benefit of the longer harness lines. By doing this you wont have to pull on the boom so much allowing you to just hang in there. This will increase your MFP and give you greater control. When the back harness line is too far forward all the sails power goes through your arm, down your legs and ends up pushing the board sidesways.

just my 2cents
sboardcrazy
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8 Dec 2009 12:57pm
Pretty simple..Ill give it a go..thats the first thing i would have done in days gone by..I think Im getting bamboozled by theory..
Annika
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8 Dec 2009 10:39am
I’m your height…. I think it’s true that us midgets need shorter lines (arms are only so long) but 24 should be fine.

I used to use 18” many years ago but have been slowly lengthening them (and putting up the boom height) to 26” which I use now for slalom. It does feel awkward at first but it’s worth persisting with.
Shorter lines will help you get planning earlier in light wind, but the longer lines give more control when it’s stronger (it gives you more leverage). Try putting your boom up a little and concentrate on leaning out with straightish legs and arms (ie don’t squat/sit down into the harness too much).
Windxtasy
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8 Dec 2009 10:40am
Hi Sue
I am the same height as you and use 26" lines. Boom between shoulder and chin height. Lines about 6" apart. Seat harness.
That works well for slalom but I feel with these fsw boards I have been trialling where a more upright stance is required I am using my arms too much.
I guess I should raise the boom a bit for these boards.
sboardcrazy
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8 Dec 2009 4:00pm
Annika said...

I’m your height…. I think it’s true that us midgets need shorter lines (arms are only so long) but 24 should be fine.

I used to use 18” many years ago but have been slowly lengthening them (and putting up the boom height) to 26” which I use now for slalom. It does feel awkward at first but it’s worth persisting with.
Shorter lines will help you get planning earlier in light wind, but the longer lines give more control when it’s stronger (it gives you more leverage). Try putting your boom up a little and concentrate on leaning out with straightish legs and arms (ie don’t squat/sit down into the harness too much).


If you dont squat/sit into the harness how do you use it..pull back with hips or..??

sboardcrazy
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8 Dec 2009 4:03pm
Windxtasy said...

Hi Sue
I am the same height as you and use 26" lines. Boom between shoulder and chin height. Lines about 6" apart. Seat harness.
That works well for slalom but I feel with these fsw boards I have been trialling where a more upright stance is required I am using my arms too much.
I guess I should raise the boom a bit for these boards.

One of the reasons I feel my lines are too long is that if I set them at 6 inches apart they are a lot longer than the length of my arm from a closed fist to the elbow..?

Leech
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8 Dec 2009 1:38pm
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sboardcrazy
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8 Dec 2009 5:30pm

Thanks..Ive been using his tips.Ive set my harness lines at a 1/3rd back as he suggests. I still can't imagine how you are supposed to be able to resist the sails power / pull with your hips forward/up .... Wouldnt that be a weak stance..?

Annika
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8 Dec 2009 3:15pm
That stance link from Leech shows what I meant pretty well. It's quite common if you use shorter lines to bend your knees and arms and crouch down into the harness. Although this gets your weight in the harness you are often forcing things too much, leaning the rig over and killing some of the power. It's harder work as well.

You should be leaning out more than down... this still gives you a lot of control of the sail (more infact as you use the weight of your upper body as well).
Next time your out in lighter winds try focus on getting the rig as upright as possible by lengthening your arms and legs and putting your shoulder back..
Revhead
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8 Dec 2009 6:20pm
I'm average height for a short person, and my arms are exactly the right length, they just reach my hands.
sboardcrazy
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9 Dec 2009 9:00am
Revhead said...

I'm average height for a short person, and my arms are exactly the right length, they just reach my hands.



sboardcrazy
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9 Dec 2009 9:04am
Annika said...

That stance link from Leech shows what I meant pretty well. It's quite common if you use shorter lines to bend your knees and arms and crouch down into the harness. Although this gets your weight in the harness you are often forcing things too much, leaning the rig over and killing some of the power. It's harder work as well.

You should be leaning out more than down... this still gives you a lot of control of the sail (more infact as you use the weight of your upper body as well).
Next time your out in lighter winds try focus on getting the rig as upright as possible by lengthening your arms and legs and putting your shoulder back..

I have been concentrating on standing more upright & keeping the sail upright.Leaning out rather than down explains it well. I get overpowered /tired easily so then go into the squat & hang off like a sack of spuds ..not pretty but it keeps me out sailing a bit longer ..I was thinking longer lines would encourage you to pull the sail over on you but I suppose you just let it hang the weight of it to leeward a bit ( mast forward..whatever Guy cribb says) instead..& you lean out & back..

AUS-057
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9 Dec 2009 8:49am
I sail a variety of board types and the harness lines are relatively long. I am 5'6" or 167cm and 67kgs.

Formula, Boom Height is forehead or higher. Use adjustable harness lines 22"-26". Mostly use around 24" for upwind and 26" downwind. From what I understand from my taller competitors they use around the same length?

Slalom / Speed, Boom again around forehead height. I use adjustable 26"-32" harness lines and also fixed 26" lines as well. Mostly use the harness lines around the 28" setting.

I don't believe that shorter people really need shorter lines. You need to adjust the boom and stance to make it work.

sboardcrazy
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9 Dec 2009 11:02am
Katapult said...

I sail a variety of board types and the harness lines are relatively long. I am 5'6" or 167cm and 67kgs.

Formula, Boom Height is forehead or higher. Use adjustable harness lines 22"-26". Mostly use around 24" for upwind and 26" downwind. From what I understand from my taller competitors they use around the same length?

Slalom / Speed, Boom again around forehead height. I use adjustable 26"-32" harness lines and also fixed 26" lines as well. Mostly use the harness lines around the 28" setting.

I don't believe that shorter people really need shorter lines. You need to adjust the boom and stance to make it work.





Should I really listen to someone who calls themselves Katapult ..?
thanks..
WindWarrior
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9 Dec 2009 12:02pm
Horses for courses
Just like sails, boards, masts, harnesses... how it works and feels to you is in my opinion the most critical aspect of any purchase/usage/ownership.

What feels comfortable and works for you may not always measure up against expert advice/opinion but in the end the focus should be on your enjoyment level so you get the maximum value out of your limited time on the water.

Try and test out a few different harness line lengths. If you're pretty new to the sport, try some adjustable lines (flame suit on)
OK adjustables aren't the best lines on the market BUT they will provide you with an opportunity to experiment with different lengths to determine what works best for you.

As for a formula that determines harness length based on height, imo it's a square peg round hole concept.
I think if people post their heights, harness type and lengths the defining factor will most likley come down to comfort/usability ?

At 6'4" I use 20 inch lines with a waist harness... having just made the jump down from 18"s a few years back.

Borrowing a line from the Blues Brothers movie 'If the Sh8t fits.. wear it'

Kev
sboardcrazy
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9 Dec 2009 1:17pm
maximum value out of your limited time on the water.
So true!
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