Seat V waist harness for bump & jump

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sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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18 Sep 2009 11:19pm
Which is easier on the body and to use? I have an early 90's Dakine seat harness & Ive been feeling lately that I need longer harness lines to feel comfy.What are the new ergonomic waist harnesses like? Ive got a crook upper back so need to take that into account.
easty
easty
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18 Sep 2009 11:34pm
A waist harness will provide more support for higher on your back. I used to use a seat, and continually read comments on here about how much better a waist was over a seat for b&j sailing, but thought I was happy with my seat so why change. Eventually I tried a waist, and yeah everyone was right, they are so much better and you can feel the support along your back. I guess this depends on getting a harness that is the right fit for you. Definately try one out.
easty
easty
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18 Sep 2009 11:38pm
A waist might even help your getting hooked in and out problem in your sub-planing thread - with a slightly higher hook position it's a lot easier to hook in or out. Although what Decrepit said about boom height is also right.
mkseven
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18 Sep 2009 11:47pm
There is plenty of discussion on this already. I have stuffed lower back from windsurfing, waist harness is better on your back PROVIDED you can hold a good stance since it offers more back support- if you sit in the harness it just doesnt work and can be a bit hard on lower ribs. I was a seat harness diehard, I tried one for bump & jump- loved it then read that alot of the pros were using them for formula/slalom, so I tried it on formula gear and found it was also better for me.

I now use waist for everything except flat water speed where you can "lock" the rig down a bit better. Waist harness gives you more movement for legs and lets you move around a bit easier on trimming the rig which I find I do a bit more on wavesail.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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19 Sep 2009 12:28am
I thought I'd finished spending $..looks like I might have to research the new ergomonic waist harnesses.Do they make womens ones?
mkseven
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19 Sep 2009 1:07am
Try one first, it's the best way
NotWal
NotWal
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19 Sep 2009 1:28am
sboardcrazy said...

I thought I'd finished spending $..looks like I might have to research the new ergomonic waist harnesses.Do they make womens ones?


You poor deluded creature :) You have only finished spending $ when you don't have any left.

I believe there are women's waisties. I dont know if it makes any difference though. The new Da Kines are super comfy, quite flexible, and they stay put. But they may or may not suit your dodgy back.

Krisiz1
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18 Sep 2009 11:44pm
I'm not going to contradict anyone but I have tried to convert from seat to waist several times. I inherited one and later bought one (a good one) I have suffered lower back problems from time to time L5/S1 and find for long sessions I come up healthier with a seat type. I once went out sailing sore and felt a "release" while in the harness going to windward in the chop! My chiro didn't believe me either.
I wonder whether one's build would be more suited to one particular type eg a pear shaped women may struggle with a seat harness whereas a slim waisted broad shouldered guy may be fine??
Mobydisc
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19 Sep 2009 7:55am
I too suffer from lower back problems, however I feel that windsurfing is not the problem but part of the solution as my back always feels better after sailing. My back responds well to the extended windsurfing stance where much of the body's weight is supported by the sail.

Recently I started using impact vest chest harness. It gives great support to my back and midriff. Plus it has a quick release harness bar using a similar to release to ski boot bindings. It also has a bit of floatation helping with waterstarts. These features make chest harnesses suitable for bump and jump sailing.

Before this I used a seat harness. I don't think its really suitable for bump and jump as its more difficult to hook and unhook with it.
ikw777
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19 Sep 2009 9:08am
Krisiz1 said...

I'm not going to contradict anyone but I have tried to convert from seat to waist several times. I inherited one and later bought one (a good one) I have suffered lower back problems from time to time L5/S1 and find for long sessions I come up healthier with a seat type. I once went out sailing sore and felt a "release" while in the harness going to windward in the chop! My chiro didn't believe me either.
I wonder whether one's build would be more suited to one particular type eg a pear shaped women may struggle with a seat harness whereas a slim waisted broad shouldered guy may be fine??


I have a crushed disc at L5 S1 too. I have an old Dakine Surf seat which i think it a waist harness/seat harness combo. I think it has a higher hook than a seat harness but the seat part stops it from riding up. I find it very supportive and don't have and back problems while sailing. Carrying the gear is another story - no lifting stuff over my head!
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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19 Sep 2009 10:00am

You poor deluded creature :) You have only finished spending $ when you don't have any left.
Problem is I dont have any to start with & the credit card is maxed out !
Carrying the gear is another story - no lifting stuff over my head!
Yep..I showed off once & carried the gear on my head ( only 50ft) like I used to in the old days..in bed with a headache for a few days after..no easy carry these days.
Ill have to see if i can borrow a waist harness to try as my problem is a neck / upper back problem.I can sit down in the seat harness if things get hary or Im a bit iffy but not sure how Id go pulling back.Even trying Guy cribbs idea where you look ahead as you go gives me problems.Soon as I get tight muscles between the shoulder blades its headache time & hell.
mkseven
mkseven
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19 Sep 2009 12:04pm
i'm assuming you've been to a good physio? The specific stretches they give you are worth it & judging from here 99% windsurfers dont stretch, warm up etc.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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19 Sep 2009 2:50pm
My partner is an ex massage therapist thank god so if I get really bad I can get a decent massage..I also see a chiro monthly ( used to be weekly) & do her stretches at least every am & after sailboarding. After sailboarding I do them every few hours ( even through the night) + massages, hot baths, pain creams & pills...If I didnt have that I wouldnt survive.Thats why if I have a session I want it to be a good one (yeah right....) because I know im going to suffer for the next few days.
Ive been pushing myself to go out in crappy conditions lately because obviously the more often you can get out the more your body gets used to it, builds up & copes better.
Yeah I agree.Ive only ever seen one other person do stretches & that was because they had a bad back.I remember I used to go crosscountry skiing & after a day of Telemark turns Id be hobbling down the stairs sideways in agony..When I got older I got wise & got into the habit of doing 10mins of XC specific stretching before & after & no problems!
The neck etc is gradually improving ( I can drive/sit longer now & watch more TV ( as long as I use supports ) before hassles when im going well) but maybe this is as good as it gets..
Windxtasy
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19 Sep 2009 1:27pm
sboardcrazy said...

My partner is an ex massage therapist thank god so if I get really bad I can get a decent massage..I also see a chiro monthly ( used to be weekly) & do her stretches at least every am & after sailboarding. After sailboarding I do them every few hours ( even through the night) + massages, hot baths, pain creams & pills...If I didnt have that I wouldnt survive.Thats why if I have a session I want it to be a good one (yeah right....) because I know im going to suffer for the next few days.


I also suffer for the next few days after a sailboarding session, and I don't have chronic injuries. It is a strenuous sport, particularly for females. There is no doubt with regular practice you get stronger and suffer less but it is a slow and painful process. At present, being the beginning of the season for me it is taking me about 5 days to recover from a session, but at the end of summer it only takes about two. I envy those guys who say they can sail twice a day, or even every day!

sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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19 Sep 2009 6:43pm
Yeah..about the only time i wish I was a bloke..other than PMT time..
Krisiz1
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19 Sep 2009 7:36pm
sboardcrazy said...

Yeah..about the only time i wish I was a bloke..other than PMT time..


What about when ur on a long car trip and ur busting 2 go #1's!
Windxtasy
Windxtasy
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19 Sep 2009 9:11pm
Krisiz1 said...

sboardcrazy said...

Yeah..about the only time i wish I was a bloke..other than PMT time..


What about when ur on a long car trip and ur busting 2 go #1's!


I have to say being a male just never crosses my mind...
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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20 Sep 2009 1:21am
What about when ur on a long car trip and ur busting 2 go #1's!
Actually I must admit I often wish I was a male..I think I was born the wrong sex..Ive always had jobs & interests where I was the only woman around..afraid kids & dolls never got a look in..
Mind you being able to play the poor helpless female has its advantages at times!
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