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dism
dism
NSW
660 posts
NSW, 660 posts
4 Sep 2009 7:12pm
Looking at getting a larger sail for coastal sailing (basically freeride in small 'surf'/ bump'n'jump cond's, really like bay conditions mostly) in lighter winds (prob 10-15knots)

5.7 Lip is my largest current sail that is decent (x-ply) to take into lumpy stuff

Looking at either 6.2 Loft Lip wave sail (100% xply) or 6.6 Loft O2 freeride (high% xply) , both cammless.

Any tips on which size/style to get (i'm 72kgs and can waterstart but poor at gybing)? Basically if there is any almost decent wind I want to be able to sail out there!

Thanks in advance for the tips
wormy
wormy
QLD
679 posts
QLD, 679 posts
4 Sep 2009 7:30pm
Go as big as you can if you want to get out in crap wind, I used to run a 7.3 on your 105 kombat with the 32 fin, it would get up in 14-15knts,
It felt pretty good but its what you get used to that matters, after I got the 122futura I only once rigged anything bigger than 6.0 on the kombat, the 7.3 then felt wierd, but I wasnt used to it anymore and couldn't believe that I used to sail it like that all the time without a prob.
Ellobuddha
Ellobuddha
NSW
625 posts
NSW, 625 posts
4 Sep 2009 7:49pm
Dism,

Im a newby so wouldnt try to give advice on size for you but I have a 6.6 Loft 02 and use it it some very choppy conditions and it seems very strong. Lots of x-ply and feels pretty light in your hands. Can really get heaps of downhaul onto it so its got a fair bit of windrange. Good sail I reckon for the price. After sales service from Bud is excellent too.
Ellobuddha
Ellobuddha
NSW
625 posts
NSW, 625 posts
4 Sep 2009 7:52pm
I have a 5.7 lip wave as well and the 6.6 is a good step up size wise for me. I can use the 6.6 no worries up to 20knts and use the 5.7 over that but Im "a bit" heavier than you (100kg) - on either a 130 or 115 board in that wind.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
4 Sep 2009 6:06pm
Go the 6.6...

The gap from 5.7 to 6.2 isn't enough to make it worthwhile.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
4 Sep 2009 8:35pm
What sized board and what mast(s) do you use? Sometimes the seabreeze around Coffs hovers around 10-12 knots all day and going big can make and ordinary day into an exciting day.

dism
dism
NSW
660 posts
NSW, 660 posts
5 Sep 2009 10:25am

Jeff -Yeah cheers I forgot about that, so 6.6 looks the goods then, factoring in the slight less weight and I want an easy waterstart on it. The Creek has been good lately, but lumpy, getting air on way out (boardless unintentional forward aka catapults to be had)! Sth hit now so i'm off (harbour or maybe see if side-offshore creek?). Hope Mackay is goin well man.

Nebbian - yeah was thinkin gap too small, cheers.

Ello - good to hear quality and range of the 6.6, and gap, the weight diff might mean that'll work for me on my 105L

Moby - that'll be on a 105L Kombat (FSW), have 430 and 460 Loft RDM (So either sail will be rigged right)

Leman
Leman
VIC
672 posts
VIC, 672 posts
5 Sep 2009 5:49pm
nebbian said...

Go the 6.6...

The gap from 5.7 to 6.2 isn't enough to make it worthwhile.


I'll second that.
Krisiz1
Krisiz1
WA
331 posts
WA, 331 posts
5 Sep 2009 5:26pm
I'm with wormy. I used to use a 7.5 Tushingham on a 103 ltr flow in sub 15knots. It was only when I went to a 93ltr flow it got to be a problem, but then I decided if I can't sail with a 5.7 then there's not enough wind. (I probably should have kept it and bought a bigger board, but oh well!)
jsnfok
jsnfok
WA
899 posts
WA, 899 posts
5 Sep 2009 6:33pm
nebbian said...

Go the 6.6...

The gap from 5.7 to 6.2 isn't enough to make it worthwhile.


true if your getting a 6.2 means you'll need a 460cm mast so might as well get the biggest sail that comfortably fits on that mast to make it worth while
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
5 Sep 2009 10:12pm
jsnfok said...


true if your getting a 6.2 means you'll need a 460cm mast so might as well get the biggest sail that comfortably fits on that mast to make it worth while


The biggest sails I found that will rig on a 460 mast are around 8m in size. I bought a North Warp 7.8 that rigs on a 460cm mast. I think many manufacturers recommend 430cm masts for sails up to around 6.6m in size.

Would it be a bit unbalanced to have a sail around 8m in size on a 105L board. Perhaps thats a normal combo for the pros.



dieseagull
dieseagull
NSW
241 posts
NSW, 241 posts
7 Sep 2009 3:07pm
I have a KA Koyote 6.6 that I use from around 17-25 kts (according to the seabreeze graphs). Any less than 17kts and its a struggle to get going. I'm 82kgs and am on a105L board.

I also rig a 5.3 Kult on the same 430 mast. It's the adjustible head on that sail that makes it possible though.
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
7 Sep 2009 2:54pm
dism said...

Looking at getting a larger sail for coastal sailing (basically freeride in small 'surf'/ bump'n'jump cond's, really like bay conditions mostly) in lighter winds (prob 10-15knots)

5.7 Lip is my largest current sail that is decent (x-ply) to take into lumpy stuff

Looking at either 6.2 Loft Lip wave sail (100% xply) or 6.6 Loft O2 freeride (high% xply) , both cammless.

Any tips on which size/style to get (i'm 72kgs and can waterstart but poor at gybing)? Basically if there is any almost decent wind I want to be able to sail out there!

Thanks in advance for the tips


problem is waterstarting a big heavy sail on a not so floaty board in v light winds is energy sapping - you better be able to uphaul.

I run a 6.4 S2 / but the newer S1 / 6.2 blade / Poison 6.2 all go on a 430 skinny and with a 110 freestyle or freewave you can get going on gusts in around 13-15 knts - if its too light to get going or float out I'd go for surf or SUP and a 5.4 and have some fun in the waves on that instead.
FlickySpinny
FlickySpinny
WA
657 posts
WA, 657 posts
8 Sep 2009 7:43pm
nebbian said...

Go the 6.6...

The gap from 5.7 to 6.2 isn't enough to make it worthwhile.


I agree. If you're 72kg then I'd definitely go at least a metre bigger. Can't provide input on sails as I don't use them at that size anymore.
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