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Sail material delamination, fix it or to forget it?

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Manuel7
Manuel7
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Manuel7 Manuel7
1349 posts
8 Apr 2021 3:23am
Well after 25 years of use, I guess one can expect some sort of sail wear :D !
Here the clear plastic is peeling off the Dacron material.
Should I cut away the plastic and leave it as is or add some tape to reinforce the area?
Super happy with the sail, zero issues aside from this.

LeeD
LeeD
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LeeD LeeD
3939 posts
8 Apr 2021 3:44am
I leave it on my '96-'98 North Raves, Converts.
Nice rattle sound, and cutting it off might prevent spreading.
However, by 1997, we knew non-stretch mylar was not compatible with forever stretching dacron.
Dacron was the strength anyways.
Sandman1221
Sandman1221
2776 posts
Sandman1221 Sandman1221
2776 posts
8 Apr 2021 5:39am
Strip off and clean area with isopropanol 70%, dry with hair dryer, then cover with Gorilla clear uv 2" wide tape ( maybe try a small area first). If the clear tape does not stay on use Gorilla black/silver/white 2" tape, that tape will stick to most things including fabric, x-ply, and mono film.
pommypair
pommypair
WA
48 posts
pommypair pommypair
WA, 48 posts
8 Apr 2021 4:48pm
All I can say is that after a few years use its just amazing how much better a new sail feels of about the same size and type, all sails stretch and go a bit baggy when regularly used (say 75-100 sail days),even if undamaged, just save this one as a backup.
Sailrepair
Sailrepair
62 posts
Sailrepair Sailrepair
62 posts
8 Apr 2021 6:48pm
On the dacron/film type cloth the film stops the strength and the dacron add rip resistance. One the polyester film starts failing the cloth will stretch easily. It is a sign to start saving up for a replacement.

If all the damages is on one panel only you could get the panel replaced but makes sure you thoroughly check the rest of the sail to make sure the rest isn't going to fail.
Manuel7
Manuel7
1349 posts
Manuel7 Manuel7
1349 posts
10 Apr 2021 9:49am
Tried to tape, a complete fail... Not noticing any downside yet of running naked dacron. As a matter of fact, I thought it performed flawlessly. I just love this sail!

Strongly thinking about getting a sewing machine
Sandman1221
Sandman1221
2776 posts
Sandman1221 Sandman1221
2776 posts
10 Apr 2021 11:05pm
Manuel7 said..
Tried to tape, a complete fail... Not noticing any downside yet of running naked dacron. As a matter of fact, I thought it performed flawlessly. I just love this sail!

Strongly thinking about getting a sewing machine



did you try Gorilla brand black, white, or silver duck tape? ( not the clear tape). It has stuck to all parts/surfaces of my sails, I found it helped to apply tape in full sunlight, the heat helped warm the fabric and tape so the tape would stick initially. If you hit that panel with a hand or hook you risk tearing it.
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
LeeD LeeD
3939 posts
11 Apr 2021 12:28am
Guys, dacron us the strength!
And, dacron is used in the luff pocket, where stretch is tolerable.
Now look at Hot STREAK. Aren't they all dacron, NO mylar?
LeeD
LeeD
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LeeD LeeD
3939 posts
11 Apr 2021 12:28am
Darn spellcheck. STREAK
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
LeeD LeeD
3939 posts
11 Apr 2021 12:29am
Got me again. S Freak.
Sandman1221
Sandman1221
2776 posts
Sandman1221 Sandman1221
2776 posts
11 Apr 2021 10:16am
Sandman1221 said..

Manuel7 said..
Tried to tape, a complete fail... Not noticing any downside yet of running naked dacron. As a matter of fact, I thought it performed flawlessly. I just love this sail!

Strongly thinking about getting a sewing machine




did you try Gorilla brand black, white, or silver duck tape? ( not the clear tape). It has stuck to all parts/surfaces of my sails, I found it helped to apply tape in full sunlight, the heat helped warm the fabric and tape so the tape would stick initially. If you hit that panel with a hand or hook you risk tearing it.


If you can not get Gorilla tape to stick well, spray Dacron with Loctite spray contact adhesive, let dry and then tape will stick.
oscardog
oscardog
216 posts
oscardog oscardog
216 posts
13 Apr 2021 8:49am
Sandman1221 said..

Manuel7 said..
Tried to tape, a complete fail... Not noticing any downside yet of running naked dacron. As a matter of fact, I thought it performed flawlessly. I just love this sail!

Strongly thinking about getting a sewing machine




did you try Gorilla brand black, white, or silver duck tape? ( not the clear tape). It has stuck to all parts/surfaces of my sails, I found it helped to apply tape in full sunlight, the heat helped warm the fabric and tape so the tape would stick initially. If you hit that panel with a hand or hook you risk tearing it.


Hi Sandman,

Why not the gorilla grip clear tape?

Is this not similar to the patches sent with the sail?
Manuel7
Manuel7
1349 posts
Manuel7 Manuel7
1349 posts
13 Apr 2021 10:24am
There's a lot of surface. The dacron does stretch when I pump. On the superfreak the luff roach seens to have very little tension!
Sandman1221
Sandman1221
2776 posts
Sandman1221 Sandman1221
2776 posts
14 Apr 2021 9:32am
oscardog said..


Sandman1221 said..



Manuel7 said..
Tried to tape, a complete fail... Not noticing any downside yet of running naked dacron. As a matter of fact, I thought it performed flawlessly. I just love this sail!

Strongly thinking about getting a sewing machine






did you try Gorilla brand black, white, or silver duck tape? ( not the clear tape). It has stuck to all parts/surfaces of my sails, I found it helped to apply tape in full sunlight, the heat helped warm the fabric and tape so the tape would stick initially. If you hit that panel with a hand or hook you risk tearing it.




Hi Sandman,

Why not the gorilla grip clear tape?

Is this not similar to the patches sent with the sail?



Hey Oscardog, In my experience, the Gorilla clear tape works great on x-ply/monofilm so a plastic film, but does not stick to fabric permanently, while the Gorilla duck tapes do stick to fabric and uneven surfaces like seams.
Imax1
Imax1
QLD
4937 posts
Imax1 Imax1
QLD, 4937 posts
14 Apr 2021 6:45pm
I wouldn't think tape with thick glue that sticks to cloth would stop any stretching.
There is some good stuff for monofilm or the Mylar .I don't think any type of tape would work on Dacron.
Manuel7
Manuel7
1349 posts
Manuel7 Manuel7
1349 posts
15 Apr 2021 2:11am
Imax1 said..
I wouldn't think tape with thick glue that sticks to cloth would stop any stretching.
There is some good stuff for monofilm or the Mylar .I don't think any type of tape would work on Dacron.


Yep, a reinforcement with stitches is best! I'll keep sailing it naked for now and go from there.
olskool
olskool
QLD
2462 posts
olskool olskool
QLD, 2462 posts
15 Apr 2021 4:23am
^ Sailing NAKED huh? Must be warm where you live!
Do many people stop n stare?
Imax1
Imax1
QLD
4937 posts
Imax1 Imax1
QLD, 4937 posts
15 Apr 2021 7:17am
^^
Less weight = less stretching of the sail .
Makes sense to me .
olskool
olskool
QLD
2462 posts
olskool olskool
QLD, 2462 posts
15 Apr 2021 9:46am
^ Definately performance orientated.
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