Recreational lightwind board Formula or longboard?

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azymuth
azymuth
WA
2169 posts
WA, 2169 posts
21 Mar 2012 9:33am
Recreational light-wind board for ocean wind swells – Formula or longboard?

I'm an experienced 75 kg sailor looking to optimize my light-wind TOW. Current light-wind boards are an old Starboard Formula 186 and a Mistral One Design Raceboard.

My local beach offers ocean wind swells but no ground-swell or waves; wind range is 5 to 15 but I need to get back if the wind picks up to 20 knots. Most fun is by shooting upwind then broad reaching downwind riding the swells.

My formula is a 2002, sail is 2004 Sailworks NX 10.5, Curtis 56 and 70 fins. Love the powered-up feeling and standing out on the rail but wonder whether I am finding it harder work than it needs to be, due to the vintage of the equipment?

How can Formula be optimized for recreational sailing – is there a particular board, sail or fin that is easier to control?

Sailing the longboard in the same conditions though completely different, is equally enjoyable, so I'm open to other longboards that would be perhaps more fun; maybe Windsurfer OD, Kona One or even something hi-tech like the Exocet D2?

Interested to hear from anyone sailing similar boards in similar conditions; don't care if you're biased to Formula or longboard. I'll probably end up buying a new board, not sure yet which way I'll go.
jermaldan
jermaldan
VIC
1572 posts
VIC, 1572 posts
21 Mar 2012 2:13pm
Recreational? Defo not a formula!

Windsup or high volume freeride board.
bushfire
bushfire
NSW
354 posts
NSW, 354 posts
21 Mar 2012 2:26pm
I race both formula and raceboard, and as you have said they are quite a different experience, but both are great fun. In my opinion you have to more "committed" to get the best out of the formula kit -obviously these boards are designed to go upwind and downwind with large sails/large fins and this is where they perform the best and feel the best. Although you can sail them across the wind there are better boards that are more fun for this.

The raceboard is mostly slower than the formula board but has the ability to "slice" upwind on the rail - a great experience quite different than upwind on the formula board. It's hard to describe, but certainly a "softer" ride than the formula which can be quite "jarring" in choppy water. The raceboard is easier to "recreational sail" than the formula board - great to go exploring along the coast or around the lake and of course can still make ground if the wind drops off.

To get the best out of the raceboard, specific "raceboard sails" are the go,(they have a tighter leech than formula/freeride sails), however the raceboard is less sensitive to sail design (and size) compared to the formula board. A formula sail on a raceboard can work well but a raceboard sail on a formula board doesn't work very well. Basically any sail will work OK on a raceboard.

The MOD raceboard that you have is still a very good board, particularly when the wind is up. Modern raceboards tend to have a bit more volume, particularly in the back of the board - an advantage for racing in lighter winds and for heavier sailors.

I reckon formula board design has improved a lot more than raceboard design in the last 10 years - if you compare the latest formula boards to your SB 186 it is a bit like chalk and cheese (the latest ones are faster, feel better on the water, point higher etc) , however the latest raceboards (eg SB 377) compared your MOD is not such a large difference.

Although I haven't sailed the Exocet D2 I have seen it raced and I reckon it demands a high skill level in choppy water or ocean swell. Probably the same comment for the wally. I'm not sure about the Kona One.

I think there is a discussion about "recreational formula" setup somewhere else on this forum.

Have fun
cammd
cammd
QLD
4437 posts
QLD, 4437 posts
21 Mar 2012 4:38pm
Have you considered an RSX they have a huge wind range due to the trimming options. They can be sailed like a raceboard in displacement mode for light winds or like a formula in planing mode for stronger winds. You lose some performance at either end of the scale but if you want one board and one sail to cover most conditions i think there a good option.
joe windsurf
joe windsurf
1482 posts
1482 posts
21 Mar 2012 6:19pm
john ingebritsen had a video on a SUP where he is "riding the swell"
unfortunately i cannot find it - am sure there are others
he is a fellow who likes to ride fast, but also appreciates TOW/time on water
simple fun on the water can be had easily
even my old BIC Dufour Wing DIV2 is great fun :-)
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
21 Mar 2012 8:58pm
i used to really enjoy formula in the ocean. up to 15 knots and it's one of the best feelings.

agree you need to pick the right board though. some formula boards have very thick tails and hit their topend too quickly from a control view point. the ones with thinner overall sections and plenty of tail cutaways are the way to go.

i've ridden the kona one before. it really is a lot of fun, but it feels like a longboard. what i didn't like about it is it's way heavy which yo ucan feel when sailing and it tends to jar a bit through chop.

also ridden the kona 10'5 with a 6.4m and 5.6m sail. at your weight you'll be planning in next to no wind on one. out of the longboards and formula boards they feel most like a shortboard. you feel the length but they are easier to throw around and not so stiff with the tracking. you could sell the 10.5m sail and get a 7m if you got a kona 10.5

haven't ridden any of the modern wide longboards.

rode wallies for years. they's do anything go anywhere. the version 3 has more nose rocker and harder rails so goes to wind better and is a little faster is what i've been told. no first hand experience.
WindWarrior
WindWarrior
NSW
1019 posts
NSW, 1019 posts
21 Mar 2012 10:33pm
similar thread here and worth a look:

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Review/Formula-vs-Super-Light-Wind-Board/
azymuth
azymuth
WA
2169 posts
WA, 2169 posts
21 Mar 2012 11:54pm
Thanks all for the replies, plenty to consider.
Gestalt and Bushfire - thanks for confirming my own thoughts that a newer thinner Formula will probably be more controllable and hence more fun.
I'll have a look at the Kona 10.5 too.

re. Wallys - I sailed them for years but left that all behind 30 years ago and I can't quite convince myself that they will really measure up in the fun factor with newer lighter boards. But perhaps as a super light-wind fun board (wind <8 knots) they have never been beaten?
oldie
oldie
VIC
356 posts
VIC, 356 posts
22 Mar 2012 8:25pm
As an observer (correct me if i got it wrong), maybe the secret of the ballet light wind Wally is in the sail, where the centre of pressure can be deliberately relocated, (eg tacks are two steps back, 3 steps forward ). A full bottle cammed and battenned sail makes this impossible..

Regarding the JP Lightwind, I asked a champion formula sailor about it and the reply was "I like to go fast!"
However, in hindsight, it might have been the right board to attempt a Tasman crossing on...
dinsdale
dinsdale
WA
1227 posts
WA, 1227 posts
23 Mar 2012 12:11am
cammd said...

Have you considered an RSX they have a huge wind range due to the trimming options. They can be sailed like a raceboard in displacement mode for light winds or like a formula in planing mode for stronger winds. You lose some performance at either end of the scale but if you want one board and one sail to cover most conditions i think there a good option.

The Bic Techno 293 would probably be an even better option, unless you want to aim at the Olympics.
www.bicsport.com/language.html

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