Oakajee paradise lost - localism gone mad

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wazza local
wazza local
WA
23 posts
WA, 23 posts
28 Apr 2006 7:14pm
So the port at Oakajee is going ahead. And dont you believe it. I knew about this a year ago because I monitor the engineering journals, but I also had a reality check a year ago as well. I used to live & sail in geraldton for 7 years but then moved back down south. But I also had a reality check recently when I realised that if I went back to 'spot x' I would be hassled out of the water by the 'instant locals'( just add wind & water) and treated as an intruder. I remember when a high profile local used to let down the tyres of 'intruders' and hassle out anyone who's face didn't fit. So now, because this primo wave sailing spot has been kept so exclusive it doesnt have a public profile and the state government can just come in and wipe it out because it doesnt exist.

Well done 'locals'.
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
28 Apr 2006 8:54pm


...we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender... Winston Churchill.

wazza local
wazza local
WA
23 posts
WA, 23 posts
1 May 2006 10:17am
It's all over bar the shouting Mr Pugwash. It's a done deal, and to make it even worse because of the size of all the stuff they will put there it will no doubt chop up the wind which gets to coronation beach, making it patchy. ( remember the effect that the structures at Fremantle harbour had on the breeze at Leighton)..Double whammy..
Its probably just stating the obvious but the local crew should have blown it wide open and invited everyone in there, gone global, media & everything.
The only option they have now is for the locals to lobby for the creation of some sort of replacement a bit further up wind, carve a new channel through the reef or something while the project people are spending money on the place. But they will only get one chance to do it, and that wont be later on when the developers have stopped spending money.
Kremlin
Kremlin
418 posts
418 posts
1 May 2006 10:59am
Comrade waaza
Where for you get your info that Oakajee is definately back on the table (not just drawing table but production table ?)
The port idea has been kicking around for many years... without MAJOR government funding is was never going to eventuate OR it would require massive investment from an investor and the figures not add up

Very keen to learn more of this development
wazza local
wazza local
WA
23 posts
WA, 23 posts
1 May 2006 12:00pm
Geez guys, its even been on the GWN news a couple of weeks ago. A new iron ore deposit has been bought by the chinese and the new port is critical to the job. Its all go. I will try and find some useful internet links. Back soon.
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
1 May 2006 12:55pm
OK OK there appears to be some truth in it all. Google: iron ore wa mid west

Some interesting things:

http://www.ferret.com.au/articles/f4/0c03f3f4.asp

www.mineweb.net/co_releases/248017.htm

www.theajmonline.com/informaoz/ajm/home.jsp?var_el=archart&art_id=1084814540474&seqnum=208

...and then: www.geroport.wa.gov.au/

I think the important thing is "Pre-feasibility stage". They have to get it through the public environmental review first. This is most likely to happen during a full or bankable feasibility study (something which Sinosteel seem to have put up the cash for). There will be plenty of time for comment during the PER
Kremlin
Kremlin
418 posts
418 posts
1 May 2006 3:52pm
Comrades,

The best way forward is a united front AND bringing in some big guns...
Feasibility studies will involve the impact of the port on the 1.4 billion dollar crayfish industry (live xport)which has some serious swing with local/state voters

I have some contact in government at different levels (KGB double/tripple agents)
I ask these peope what is happening and report back soon !

Comrade Wazza I sorry to hear you not made feel welcome at spot x... I spend many years in Mother Russia but passport say GERALDTON as place of birth... you not get more local than this yes ?
I share wave with you at spot x next time I visit !

Kremlin
(Russian mafia)
Kremlin
Kremlin
418 posts
418 posts
1 May 2006 4:03pm
Hmmm

Lot of conflicting info out there at present...
the WA gov has alocated 35 million bucks to upgrade the Gero port to accommodate Iron Loading facilities from Berth 5
With a 35 million filthy lucre upgrade of the current port facility a completely new port structure, built/dredged from the ground up seems a little hard to fathom

More info please ...

Kremlin
wazza local
wazza local
WA
23 posts
WA, 23 posts
1 May 2006 4:14pm
Public consultation...Environmental studies...I spose you guys still believe in the tooth fairy as well. You are looking at 1.5 km's of breakwater straight out through the break with masses of reclaimed land on the southern side of that. Plus another breakwater on the northern side of the deep basin.
Check out this report and substitute W.A. for 'Queensland' and substitute resources industry for 'tourism industry'.... get the picture..?? Checkit out, courtesy of Surfrider Foundation Australia --
www.couriermail.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes
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Go and have a talk to the Gero Mayor and watch her squirm...Talk to the state pollies but watch out for the LipService Factor, it will waste time and frustrate.
When you have done all that you will realise my 'global exposure' option may be the last chance you get. Internet Democracy can be a powerful thang!!
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
1 May 2006 5:11pm
My understanding is:

1. The Gero port will only be able to handle 50,000 tonne ships (hardly big enough for export of bulk minerals).

2. Dredging at Gero is not easy. It is limestone, and dumping the dredge spoil may create silt plumes.

Hence, Oakajee considered as an option.

Being realistic, and given the timing for such a BFS, I can't see anything happening in terms of port developent for at least 24 months - that is time to conduct the relevant studies, public review and approvals process etc etc. For now, I intend to learn the facts and take it from there...
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
2 May 2006 10:13am
Wazza.Firstly your assumptions of localism IS WAY OF THE MARK.
The kiting and windsurfing community in Geraldton is strong,AND a UNITED FRONT.We all work hard to live the life style,and pay rates for you to spung off when on your brief visits, to hassel and grizzle. There has been may improvements for you open your eyes and smell the roses.
There has only been one occasion where i herd tyres were let down in 15 years.

Bull**** aside the windsurfing club has continued to build a strong relationship with key stake holders and has represented y a user of the area for years.
So when did you last contribute anything anyway?
WhatS say you and your mates find out about the facts AND efforts by many to ensure we gain compensation for the loss, if it is to eventuate . A Good start would be by Joining the Gero Windsurfing Club .AND contact the chapman valley shire /coastal consultant.





wazza local
wazza local
WA
23 posts
WA, 23 posts
2 May 2006 3:21pm
Woohoo..struck a nerve..but remember, I lived in good old gero, I have seen it first hand. I have also heard more recent stories from other down south non locals, and that is exactly my point, if I were to go back to oakajee now I would be hassled, faded and snaked. Not by everyone but just a few diehards acting to intimidate. Maybe we can start a new forum column titled "who has been hassled at Oakajee?" or "who has a good localism agro story from geraldton?" Now, I notice that your login is 'King of the Point' so maybe you dont sail Oakajee either..??? Even the tone of your input smacks of localism and contempt for outsiders...
Or maybe this column should have been called 'Local secret spot-ism has its down side'. Anyway, the main point is that once again Oakajee is threatened, and this time they have overseas companies waving big bucks. And it's going to take a bit more than Captain Pugwash pulling his undies on over the top of his blue suit (no offence Pugwash, but I work in the resources industry and this new push is bigger than you think) Anyway, I got the impression you guys up there were sleeping on the job. Awake now?
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
2 May 2006 5:15pm
King, I gotta agree with Wazza, the language you choose seems to be aimed at creating division with the spunging, grizzling, hasseling southerners (not that Wazzas language is any less inflammatory, and I guess the initial title of this topic). It is hardly an incentive to join the Geraldton windurfing club. But, if this is a way to provide support, so be it. If you (or anyone in the club) know more, do you have any links, info you can post

I am no mate of Wazzas (yet). Nor do I claim to know anything about this project, only what (perhaps facts) I have read on the internet. I too work in the resources industry, on projects similar to the proposed, I do know a little about the process.

Pugs
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
3 May 2006 8:24am
Firstly your right i sailed oakage a half a dozen times,and havnt had a 4x4 for 3years but why bother when sunsets is 6 to 8 foot and we can see it from the front porch,may be you should sail the spot then.
NOW thats localism.

We locals no who s laughing at WHO.
May be if you didnt snake your self and ,BOTHERED TO GO OUT THE BACK you would have found your own piece of joy to carve up rather than worrie about DA HEAVEY locals BRO.
It sounds like your home sick.
500 MILION TO 1 BILLION PORT NO LOCAL WILL STOP THAT.
May be you could get in touch with this high profile local and get him to start letting down tyres again.
wazza local
wazza local
WA
23 posts
WA, 23 posts
3 May 2006 10:49am
Ok, so thats one person who lives in gero and apparently doesnt care about the possible loss of one of the best wave sailing locations between Marg's and Gnaraloo. Clearly its an interesting topic judging by the amount of hits its getting, but does anybody care?
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
3 May 2006 11:55am
I think people care, but there's almost a sense of resignation that Big Business and the $ rules in this country, and unless there's a huge grassroots groundswell of public opinion (Such as Ningaloo reef where public opinion won and big business lost), Big Business usually wins. From memory the last Okajee proposal, there was quite a bit of grassroots opposition to the proposal such as "Industry Inland", but the govt wanted the industry saying it would bring xxdollars and jobs for Geralton.

I think maybe an idea you proposed earlier Wazza such as getting some compensation such as an artificial reef with access for surfers, might be worth fighting for as it could be good PR for the govt and industry????

I shouldn't do any of this serious opinion stuff I should stick to clowning.......... Did you hear about the.......
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
3 May 2006 2:01pm
Look what we're getting in Sydney. Not gonna be much room to sail the Westerlies when this goes ahead!

Before
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=1819

After
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=1820
ka43
ka43
NSW
3101 posts
NSW, 3101 posts
3 May 2006 2:22pm
Bloody hell Harrow, where did you get that??
How much bigger can Port Botany get??
As for the WA problem, I too work in the resources industry, flipping burgers at Maccas and Im pushing for the styrofoam containers to be re-instated.
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
3 May 2006 1:58pm
Yer its one of those things,locals as you put them have been presenting things.In fact people that established the Geraldton windsurfing club back in the 80s have lead the charge and re appeared.

There s no reason to lash out at the users of the area,
If any consolation i dont no half them when i turn up.

Reminder--- The sea rescue building at the point ,the Gero windsurf club was a major player and the point development
Lots of events have been organised over the years.
Planning studies have always had a representitive from the GWC

I resently attended a meeting where they did you proud yet again.

The sea loven community dont need daggers,its out of there hands.

Did you see in the paper--- the helicopter in the OAKAGEE creek bed with a bunch of shoe shined pin stripped suit freaks ,not even from our country.
LOCALISM LOVE IT.
Enough said.
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
3 May 2006 6:48pm
quote:
Originally posted by ka43

Bloody hell Harrow, where did you get that??
How much bigger can Port Botany get??

http://www.sydneyports.com.au/botany/main.asp?pageid=266

BTW are you one of the famous many Larkin brothers?
hirschausen
hirschausen
WA
422 posts
WA, 422 posts
3 May 2006 5:38pm
Some words to research - Murchison Metals, the location of their "dream deposit" (300km from the coast)

There's something else about this special piece of land that Murchison want to mine. Something else the government has poured 800,000 dollars into a bid to try and win for WA.

I'll be very surprised if there's a deep water Port at Oakajee, if you believe what you read and see in the media then you will happily assist the share market, that's all.

Oakajee for tourism. Start speaking it and thinking it, make that reality. Because until there's no port at oakajee, it's open to all to come sail.

Come enjoy it while you can if you are afraid it's going to be gone, maybe as a bunch of windsurfers who aim to lose the most you might be able to actually DO something.

Rather than sit around and whinge.
shark
shark
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
3 May 2006 7:23pm
quote
(Such as Ningaloo reef where public opinion won and big business lost)
unquote

Ningaloo-the great victory! amongst the most vocal opponents was a company, who after "victory" promptly entered into a $50 million alliance with Hilton Hotels to build a resort. No ulterior motive there?
I wasnt for or against the Mauds or other development directly (spent many years up there) but I had to laugh at seeing bumper stickers on cars of people who probably never even been there "save ningaloo!"
From who or what?
wazza local
wazza local
WA
23 posts
WA, 23 posts
3 May 2006 7:51pm
Herr Hirschhausen seems to be supporting my main point here, albeit so bluntly made earlier. ( My apologies, had a few grape juices, decided to stir things up etc )
Main point being "Use It or Lose It". So you guys being the custodians of a primo wave sailing break, very consistent, very reliable with typical summer low swell conditions, are hereby obligated, to the best of your salt water pickled, badly face planted, crash landed skulls, to defend this territory, to the best of your abilities. And if that means lifting it's profile then maybe thats what is needed. Scary stuff huh?
And to those who claim it's not happening, butt out, there is far more evidence that it's going ahead, than your 'head in the sand' uninformed denials.
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