North extension with ratchet downhaul fault solved

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mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
14 Oct 2006 9:54pm
Have one of these items, not happy how it tends to slip when the tension gets any place above say 50% on the downhaul.
Removed the fitted downhaul and reversed it, just in case the cord wasn’t that flash and had stretched somewhat, no improvement
Tried replacing the 5mm downhaul with a quality cord from sail shop, no improvement, still wont downhaul like it did in Feb when I purchased it this year.(only used the blasted thing dozen or so times
Replace the 5mm cord with 6mm cord, figuring larger cord may be the answer and grip the serrations, no improvement.
Wet the cord, still no improvement, Even added sand to the bloody wet cord to see if it improved, No, still tin fruited.
Besides spraying on some "belt grip" anybody have a solution?

(photo of one in Photos, windsurfing.

Mineral
CJW
CJW
NSW
1731 posts
CJW CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
15 Oct 2006 12:59am
So I'm gathering that now the ratchet no longer has the grip on the serations to properly grip the rope under a high load? The ratchet is probably made out of Aluminium to keep the weight down, unfortunately this also wears pretty fast. If that's the case there's not really a lot you can do unfortunately.

Having had a go of one of these things before though I had problems getting it to grip and it was brand new. I found I had to put on a fair amount of downhaul tension before ratcheting it up so that the ratched had a lot of tension on it and hence gripped the rope better.
TelecomGreg
TelecomGreg
QLD
94 posts
QLD, 94 posts
15 Oct 2006 11:25am
Advice to the people with rachet downhauls, chuck it and get a lumpa wood give it to your girlfriend and let her downhaul for you

TelecomGreg
Poledancer
Poledancer
WA
33 posts
WA, 33 posts
15 Oct 2006 9:51am
I have 3 of these North Ratchet downhauls. They work perfectly for me and I have had them for a few seasons now. I think I had similar problems when I just got mine, then I sorted it. They actually only work with tension, so dont fully let the rope go, just release enough tension to unhook the cord from the other side. Then when you rig again you just pull a little tension on the sail and hook it over the pulley. That way it is pre-tensioned and ready to ratchet. The other thing the North instructions say is only use North rope when replacing. Dunno? Might be special?
mikey100
mikey100
QLD
1109 posts
QLD, 1109 posts
15 Oct 2006 12:11pm
Yes mineral... I have one, love it, but it has just started slipping like yours. Tried different rope-types, but to no avail. Am going to order a replacement "wheel" as I think the edges of the grip on it have worn down- can't cost too much! Maybe this is a warranty item?? Will ask my local dealer.
elmo
elmo
WA
8890 posts
WA, 8890 posts
15 Oct 2006 10:39am
Mineral,

Twas me who posted the picture.

I've been using one of these for over a year now, was given an old one originaly by Reg at WSP to have a look at it which had been suffering from similar problems to what you have been experiencing. I fixed that one, used it for a while the bought my own. I've serviced stack of others as well.

Don't panic, all can be made well again, I sussed out a fairly easy servicing method for these which can fix the eventual slippage and on the units whcih are under high load (race sails) the occasional jump of ratchet.

We have also found that the White Marlo rope works best with these, I tried lots of different ropes includng a the OEM Chinook rope (quite disappointed there) and even an climbing cord and non compare to the marlo.

I use mine on up to 9m race sails which need a bucket load of downhaul force. I would recommend if using primarily on race sails the the 2 pully version would be a better option as it will reduce the load on the rope.

Back to the fix, it's only about 5-10 mins, although I think in your case the Marlo rope should(?) do the trick.

Myself, I only keep my old extensions in case of emergency.

These extensions in my books are brilliant (not perfect, yet then again nothing is) easier down haul than doing it manually.

I can now also adjust my sail down haul in the water with out having to go to shore which is a advantage at Avalon.

If you want more info drop us a line through the site email and I'll give you more info.

Alby
mikey100
mikey100
QLD
1109 posts
QLD, 1109 posts
15 Oct 2006 6:47pm
Elmo...tell us all of your solution.
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
15 Oct 2006 6:52pm
What ever happened to the "Crankin" extension. It had a mechanism for cranking on dh tension by pushing the mast up thus keeping the tack of the sail as low as it could be. I've never seen one. There used to be a website that flogged the thing.
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
15 Oct 2006 8:26pm
To all, have found solution as recommended by Elmo, in Gear review.
In short it is Marlo cord. Weave or plat of cord suits the serrations in the wheels of the downhaul.
Thank goodness its just that, and not a dud design
Thanks for the feedback every one.
Telecomegreg, particularly liked yours Don’t think the misses would assist, probably wrap the downhaul round me neck if I suggested she do this bit
elmo
elmo
WA
8890 posts
WA, 8890 posts
16 Oct 2006 7:01am
There is more, which can be done.

Eventually they do wear a bit and will start to slip and in some cases jump when cranking.

As I said it's an easy fix to bring these back to new condition (IMHO better than new), and only takes 5-10 mins to do.

I'll make up a manual shortly on how to do it with photo's which I can email to our eastern states bretheren.

I'll also set up Steve at WSP with the method so he should be able to do them in house. I was previously picking them up a doing them at home, but this mean't a delay requiring manual downhauling.

Yes I had tried the larger rope trick, all it does is sit above the wheel, The Marlo rope is only about 0.4mm smaller than OEM which actually makes it sit in wheel better. It also has some real nice wear characteristics.

Alby
cansyd
cansyd
NSW
46 posts
NSW, 46 posts
13 Dec 2006 7:07pm
Hi

Any word on the manual you mention. I am considering getting one of these and want to make sure I get the value out of it.

thanks
HAIL
HAIL
SA
1160 posts
SA, 1160 posts
13 Dec 2006 9:56pm
these are wikid pieces of gear!! but unfortunatly mine has the same problem sometimes...... ive found that washing it in hot fresh water helps out and stops slippage...... its a pain in the ass washing it all the time tho! but try it???
mikey100
mikey100
QLD
1109 posts
QLD, 1109 posts
13 Dec 2006 9:42pm
Have tried dozens of brands and sizes of rope but none a 100 % cure. (Even tried a replacement wheel!) Smart NORTH use a 4.5mm rope and all standard rores are 4mm, 5mm etc.... so it looks like we all wait for the North replacement rope to become available. Unless ELMO gets back to us with his cure manual as he has offered...
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
13 Dec 2006 9:24pm
Mickey100 and Demons_Tiapan11.
DT think you mentioned rope size, yes very clever on North’s behalf 4.5mm
Soo until you can get replacement, carry out repair as recommended to clean up the serrations with a dremel style drill (bought mine full kit with flex shaft drive ex Bunning’s about 50 bucks I think )
Visit the nearest sail shop, usually at a yacht club and get the cord that has most woven cotton appearance in it with 6mm size. Takes a bit to get it into the downhaul system but perseverance will get it. This will run OK til North have replacement cord. 5mm may do it but I fitted 6mm. The 4mm Marlo cord lasted about two sails before it started to slip. Think it was too small in diameter and has more nylon style to it.


Who managed to get a new wheel can you say how much and where from
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
13 Dec 2006 9:27pm
Opps forgot to mention, you will know its the right cord at the yacht club sail store ,Its the most expensive per meter
About $3 per, from memory

elmo
elmo
WA
8890 posts
WA, 8890 posts
13 Dec 2006 9:37pm
Arrrrrrrrgggghhhhhh

I've taken the photos of the bits and pieces, but work is very rudely getting in way.

I haven't forgoten

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