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40FrothyKnots
40FrothyKnots
NSW
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14 Apr 2022 3:48pm
gavnwend said..
I like to see what weight the wase sails will be, constant curve l hope.anyone got any raw pics.


Here it is,

more info on the main site northwindsurfing.com/products/north-wave#technology




Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
16 Apr 2022 3:56pm
I'm happy to pay the freight BTW.

Shame about that 5.8, knocking off 2-4cm of luff and have it work on 400 would have been nice
40FrothyKnots
40FrothyKnots
NSW
93 posts
NSW, 93 posts
17 Apr 2022 12:01pm
Mark _australia said..
I'm happy to pay the freight BTW.

Shame about that 5.8, knocking off 2-4cm of luff and have it work on 400 would have been nice


Hi Mark,

At this stage I only have a 4.2 wave with a 370 ultimate mast in demo.

I know you said it's to small for you but may be on a windy day?

anyway send me a DM and we'll try to sort something out for you.
JCBoston
JCBoston
55 posts
55 posts
17 Apr 2022 8:31pm
Kitekeeper said..

gavnwend said..
I like to see what weight the wase sails will be, constant curve l hope.anyone got any raw pics.



Here it is,

more info on the main site northwindsurfing.com/products/north-wave#technology





Hi KiteKeeper
3.5 battens on that 4.7. A lot of sails that size have 4 or 5 battens. Is the reduction in battens (and weight) possible due to shape created by the 3di construction process?

Thanks for the info.
Niichts
Niichts
45 posts
45 posts
28 Apr 2022 4:31am
ol4t said..

MrA said..
A question for those who have seen this technology on yachts etc
Will it roll into a bag ok?
will it be susceptible to damage more than a normal sail if something is put on top of the rolled sail?
or is it better than a Mylar and batten sail in that regard?












I know little to nothing about modern sail construction, but the color and texture of the material used for grey sail material looks almost identical to the leech reinforcement material that Phantom uses on their X and R foil sails, dubbed "Lite skin". Wonder if they're somehow related? Would love for someone to correct me on this.

Hopefully North distributes well enough, though the foil sails are probably not going to be available to most people till halfway through 2023.
Jethrow
Jethrow
NSW
1282 posts
NSW, 1282 posts
28 Apr 2022 7:41am
Niichts, Liteskin is a sailcloth made in rolls by Dimension Polyant.
3Di is a carbon tissue layering process using very thin ply's to achieve strength.
This video shows the 3Di process
mark62
mark62
511 posts
511 posts
28 Apr 2022 6:12am
Return of the NS warp? Picture taken from windsurfing.nl. A Dutch guy is testing them, lucky lad


DarrylG
DarrylG
WA
507 posts
WA, 507 posts
28 Apr 2022 7:13am
Interesting cambers. batten with a join in luff???
AUS4
AUS4
NSW
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NSW, 1296 posts
28 Apr 2022 9:57am
mark62 said..
Return of the NS warp? Picture taken from windsurfing.nl. A Dutch guy is testing them, lucky lad



Can't use the name Warp it is owned by Duotone.
Ben1973
Ben1973
1008 posts
1008 posts
28 Apr 2022 8:39am
DarrylG said..
Interesting cambers. batten with a join in luff???



If the join there allows you to tension the batten separately from the camber inside the luff sleeve it's a damn good idea
a bit like the old Severne reflex system but moved forward
cald
cald
QLD
164 posts
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28 Apr 2022 10:50am
Ben1973 said..

DarrylG said..
Interesting cambers. batten with a join in luff???




If the join there allows you to tension the batten separately from the camber inside the luff sleeve it's a damn good idea
a bit like the old Severne reflex system but moved forward


Does anyone know what the "Air camber" is about? sounds like an inflatable camber, but little details have been released that I have seen.

One comment on that proto, looks like its going to kill someone, there is very very little visibility, i have duotone warps at the moment, they are bad enough but this would be out and out dangerous the blindspot forward and to leeward is way to big, wing dings would be getting mowed down left right and center
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3571 posts
WA, 3571 posts
28 Apr 2022 10:22am
cald said..
wing dings would be getting mowed down left right and center


I guess what goes around comes around... that's my experience with most Wing Dingers at the moment... don't look down wind, don't look over your shoulder before you jump or jibe, don't look full stop. I guess just replicates the behaviour you see on the roads.
choco
choco
SA
4181 posts
SA, 4181 posts
28 Apr 2022 3:40pm
cald said..



Ben1973 said..




DarrylG said..
Interesting cambers. batten with a join in luff???







If the join there allows you to tension the batten separately from the camber inside the luff sleeve it's a damn good idea
a bit like the old Severne reflex system but moved forward





Does anyone know what the "Air camber" is about? sounds like an inflatable camber, but little details have been released that I have seen.

One comment on that proto, looks like its going to kill someone, there is very very little visibility, i have duotone warps at the moment, they are bad enough but this would be out and out dangerous the blindspot forward and to leeward is way to big, wing dings would be getting mowed down left right and center




If you see that hammering your way, get outta the way, looks so stealthy
ka43
ka43
NSW
3101 posts
NSW, 3101 posts
28 Apr 2022 5:51pm
Incredible technology Jethro!!!! You guys doing stuff like that at Mona Vale??
Jethrow
Jethrow
NSW
1282 posts
NSW, 1282 posts
28 Apr 2022 8:19pm
ka43 said..
Incredible technology Jethro!!!! You guys doing stuff like that at Mona Vale??


I've been out of the industry for many years, but I still dig the technology...
WindFlyer
WindFlyer
169 posts
169 posts
1 May 2022 10:38am
mark62 said..
Return of the NS warp? Picture taken from windsurfing.nl. A Dutch guy is testing them, lucky lad




thanks for sharing!

but it'll likely just be called "RACE" or some-such. looking forward to the "official" reveal some months away still.
40FrothyKnots
40FrothyKnots
NSW
93 posts
NSW, 93 posts
2 May 2022 9:08pm
mark62 said..
Return of the NS warp? Picture taken from windsurfing.nl. A Dutch guy is testing them, lucky lad



We had the chance to see the Foil proto in our latest meeting in Portugal but was too windy to give it a go!
To answer few questions:
- Batten has a joint close the mast are, then split in 2 separate battens to accommodate the deep profile.
- Air cam - Camber is very small (just up to the 3rd batten) does not need to be removed each time but can be removed relatively easy, it needs 2 pumps to be inflated as it very small volume. The camber transition is very smooth.
- The profile achieved with the air cam is more similar to an airplane wing (bit fuller on the inside of the sail), demonstrating superior capabilities during the wind tunnel trials, as said I have not tried in person.
- Crazy light for an 8m, I'd say around 4.5KG
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
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WA, 3571 posts
2 May 2022 8:14pm
I am torn between thinking great to see someone else pushing tech into new directions and wondering what happens when anything on those sails breaks.

It's hard enough finding a quality repair place for current membrane sails. Can't imagine how hard it will be to find someone that can replace a broken batten or torn sail. Maybe they have a plan for that. On the web site far is just says "a repair kit will be available in future".
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
2 May 2022 9:03pm
stehsegler said..
I am torn


Nice pun...

will be interesting to see - but I imagine patching whilst the sail shape is supported on a curve....?
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
2 May 2022 11:15pm
in a vid i saw online i think they said you can patch the sails like you patch a board because the sails are fibre and resin. not reallly sure what that means.

in a few years, once my sails wear out i might switch to north.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
2 May 2022 9:17pm
^^^ Yeah someone will start doing that and then be told by the yanks a bog is just as good hahahahaha

Spackle!!!!
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
2 May 2022 11:18pm
lol.
Paducah
Paducah
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2833 posts
3 May 2022 11:43am
Mark _australia said..
^^^ Yeah someone will start doing that and then be told by the yanks a bog is just as good hahahahaha

Spackle!!!!


C'mon, man. JB Weld or nothing.

(Yank - singular. The rest of us were quietly reading and taking notes. )
40FrothyKnots
40FrothyKnots
NSW
93 posts
NSW, 93 posts
3 May 2022 8:43pm
stehsegler said..
I am torn between thinking great to see someone else pushing tech into new directions and wondering what happens when anything on those sails breaks.

It's hard enough finding a quality repair place for current membrane sails. Can't imagine how hard it will be to find someone that can replace a broken batten or torn sail. Maybe they have a plan for that. On the web site far is just says "a repair kit will be available in future".


Rumors are that repair these sails is even easier than a normal sails, as it can be done in your garage with no sewing machine.

The sails will come with a repair kite that contains the 3di material on a tape and a specific glue, combining the 2 will create a fix very similar to an "epoxy patch" on your surfboard.
choco
choco
SA
4181 posts
SA, 4181 posts
6 May 2022 3:00pm
mark62 said..
Return of the NS warp? Picture taken from windsurfing.nl. A Dutch guy is testing them, lucky lad



Extra windows
mathew
mathew
QLD
2167 posts
QLD, 2167 posts
6 May 2022 5:15pm
Kitekeeper said..
Rumors are that repair these sails is even easier than a normal sails, as it can be done in your garage with no sewing machine.


My backyard-off-the-cuff-randomised-button-generation-estimate would be >50% of sail-repairs simply need "sticky back' - no sewing machine necessary. That is because most sails only tear/split a single panel, so a patch is all you need. Which appears to be exactly as you described for these. So "even easier" needs some salt-grains applied.

Conversely any sail repair that goes through a seam - be they stitched, glued, epoxied, whatever - will need a professional'ish repair. For example, that ^^ sail still has battens, so a tear/split running through those batten-pockets needs to be suitably 3D-formed -> stitched sails dont patch all that well (or at all, because dacron is a bas'ted)... so a batten-pocket which could be epoxy-patched, might be a win **.

** not yet confirmed - I'd like to see demo of said batten-epoxy-patching, otherwise its just speculation.
gavnwend
gavnwend
WA
1374 posts
WA, 1374 posts
6 May 2022 5:16pm
When do the race sails land in Oz? Like the shape & l recon they would twist off nicely.
Plus l can now do my own repairs, with that boggy stuff l have read on this thread.also are the sails designed around a c.curve bordering a flex- top mast.they look awesome .just a guy who loves blasting & flying past foilers.
Hanstholm
Hanstholm
72 posts
72 posts
6 May 2022 7:27pm
Maybe this video is interesting. Unfortunately in German but the translator should fix it. The masts come from Australia apparently.

GasHazard
GasHazard
QLD
385 posts
QLD, 385 posts
6 May 2022 11:14pm
That light weight really lends itself to freestyle, but the dark grey isn't flashy enough.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
6 May 2022 11:51pm
Kitekeeper said..

Mark _australia said..
I'm happy to pay the freight BTW.

Shame about that 5.8, knocking off 2-4cm of luff and have it work on 400 would have been nice



Hi Mark,

At this stage I only have a 4.2 wave with a 370 ultimate mast in demo.

I know you said it's to small for you but may be on a windy day?

anyway send me a DM and we'll try to sort something out for you.


is there any chance of a 5.8m demo around Brisbane / Gold Coast in the future.
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