My 2 piece mast is now a one piece..

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windnkite
windnkite
QLD
90 posts
QLD, 90 posts
14 Feb 2006 10:05pm
I know this happens to everyone but this case is particularly severe. After a days sailing, my brother came in to find that the 2 piece mast he originally put together (neglecting to clean off all the sand prior to joining the mast) would not come undone.
Naturally, we tried pulling, pulling and twisting, pulling and cursing and eventually we got 4 other people to join in the fun, all to no avail.
Unfazed, we when home and drowned the joint in WD40, left it for a few hours/days and it is still stuck together. We have also tried heating the joint with a blow torch (extreme measures).
Is there any other methods that other people use with any success? the sand in the joint is fairly course (lake cootharaba). Suggestions?
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
14 Feb 2006 8:09pm
Did you try clamping a boom on either/both pieces A lot of leaverage Has worked for me in the past
snides8
snides8
WA
1731 posts
WA, 1731 posts
14 Feb 2006 8:13pm
try filling the mast with water,you may have to fish out the plug from inside the mast(doesn't matter which end)to allow the mast to fill.set the mast elevated at one end- then with mast full, start working (flexing) the joint up and down- this should allow the water to enter the seized section and hopefully loosen the sand.also helps to have someone to grab the other end so you can have a good tug every now and then (the mast i mean!!)
good luck
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12872 posts
WA, 12872 posts
14 Feb 2006 8:19pm
If 2 booms don't work try 4. Blow torch sounds like a very bad idea, epoxy breaks down in extreme heat!! WD40 is more for rust and metal, might help lubricate but I like the idea of actually forcing water thru the joint, that sounds like a good idea, use it in conjuction with 4 booms.
cmc71069
cmc71069
NSW
21 posts
NSW, 21 posts
15 Feb 2006 4:12am
Hold the mast at the joint with one hand and shake till you have perpetual movement from foot to tip.Worked for me before.Otherwise compressed air @ joint.(Heat will shrink.WD-40 for can work against you, as an abrasive rather than a lubricant in certain applications.)Good Luck.
JayBee
JayBee
NSW
714 posts
NSW, 714 posts
15 Feb 2006 9:54am
I read an article somewhere that recommended propping one end of the mast against something about waist height. Then press down on the joint and you will hear the sand crush (if you use enough pressure). Rotate and repeat until all of the trapped sand is crushed, and the mast should come apart. This is the same as cmc71069 suggested, you just wont look so spassy at the rigging area.
If you try to twist the two parts apart you risk scoring the mast at the joint (especially if the sand is coarse), but by crushing it you only have to deal with finer sand particles.

In theory anyway - havent had to put this into practice myself yet.

JayBee
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
15 Feb 2006 7:14am
I've never done this, but I would imagine that two booms and a car jack would persuade even the most stubborn mast...

Also dishwashing liquid makes a fantastic lubricant.
pweedas
pweedas
WA
4642 posts
WA, 4642 posts
15 Feb 2006 12:08pm
Years ago we got one apart which had been locked up for ages.
We attached one end to a tree with a few half hitch knots on a nylon tow rope. If you use a series of half hitches they self tighten on the mast and get a good grip.
On the other end we did the same and attached it to a 4wd Subaru. With the Suba in low range we drove off and put a lot of tension on the rope so that it stretched considerably and then put the handbrake on. We then shook the crap out of the locked up section and after about 2 or 3 minutes it came loose.
Make sure you use a soft rope as anything hard can crush the mast.
Also, be careful not to put so much tension on the rope that you break it because it can whip around and smack you in the bum/face/eyes/anywhere else that might hurt.
-Stevo-
-Stevo-
WA
57 posts
WA, 57 posts
15 Feb 2006 12:12pm
2 booms has always worked for me...
it happens to me a lot cos im lazy...
just clamp them either side of the joint then twist in opposite directions back and forth...
i had a mast that became one piece for about 2 months, came off as soon as I did this...
good luck
-Stevo
Northboy
Northboy
WA
170 posts
WA, 170 posts
15 Feb 2006 12:56pm
A bucket of water works with Kelpie's. Also a great idea with masts. Clean joint after each use and it will at least start clean at next sailing day.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
15 Feb 2006 4:37pm
only place i've ever had troubles with sand in the joint is at Catharabah... don't know why that is.

these days i clean just prior to rigging.
Long Reef
Long Reef
SA
583 posts
SA, 583 posts
15 Feb 2006 8:35pm
I have found the following to work separating masts.
1. Hish pressure hose into the top section to force water into the joint.
2. Place mast at waist height and Flex mast backwards & forwards by applying pressure at the joint. You may hear the sand crush.
3. Buy the non slip grip that is used in kitchens to protect shelves and stop kettles slipping etc. Wrap this around the mast at two ends and then tie on a piece of timber (about 1-2 metres)to either end of the mast. The non slip stuff i got from a $2 shop and it stops ropes, boom head sliping as you rotate. Now rotate!

good luck
windnkite
windnkite
QLD
90 posts
QLD, 90 posts
15 Feb 2006 8:47pm
Hey,
Thanks for all the replies. A few of these methods I have already tried on another mast (a friends) that got stuck last year (incedently it is still a one piece). We tried two booms on each side of the joint, except the boom on the tapering end (top half) wouldnt grip, as the mast radius was too small. We also tried tieing one side to a tree and the other to the car, but the half hitches used on the top half wouldnt grip(as the knot was being pulled towards the smaller radius end). Nonetheless, I will give it a few more tries with a few more methods before i give up.
Thanks
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
15 Feb 2006 7:46pm
quote:
but the half hitches used on the top half wouldnt grip(as the knot was being pulled towards the smaller radius end)


Remember to wrap the rope around the mast a couple of times (I'd use about ten) before doing your half hitch. Each wrap of the rope multiplies the gripping force that it puts on the mast, much like a set of pulleys. Make it tight when you do the half hitch as well. Good luck with it, let us know if you still have trouble...
KAOS69
KAOS69
WA
1012 posts
WA, 1012 posts
16 Feb 2006 9:02am
the only way to get a properly stuck mast apart is not by shacking or flexing it in the middle all this will do is damage the farrell if not break it ,if you do it hard enoughyou need to get a cap of some kind to fit over the large end of the mast , hard plastic is the best , if you can;t get that a piece of wood 2 x1 pine will do . pour some water on the middle of the mast ,then place the mast on the flat ground , place the plastic or wood over the large end of the mast put your foot on the mast to stop it moving and with a hammer hit the wood quite hard a few times this send viberations up the mast and pushes the two ends apart . what you can do with the wood is counter sink a hole the size of the mast ,half way through this will help protect it.
JEFFERSON
JEFFERSON
WA
72 posts
WA, 72 posts
16 Feb 2006 10:18am
The best and simplest method I have ever used is:
1 - get a long flat tie down strap and possibly a bit of rubber.
2 - put the flat piece of rubber around the mast for grip and then firmly wrap the tie down around the mast, over lap the webbing and cover as large an area as the tie down allows.
3 - tie the other tail of the tie down to something solid. Bumper bar, fence post etc.
4 - get everyone at the beach to grap the other side of the join and twist.

You can get about 10 people all twisting at once. By using this method you effectively double the man power you are using. Or else just get 20 people to all help you. I have never seen this method not work and the risk of damage to the mast is almost none. All you need is plenty of friends. Also, try to get people at the beach to help you before they go sailing and get tired wet hands. If this doesn't work I would suggest getting used to putting the mast onto your roof.
windnkite
windnkite
QLD
90 posts
QLD, 90 posts
5 Mar 2006 8:47pm
We have finally got the mast apart (thanks Andrew), by using 2 booms set for skinny masts on the top half, and puting a reguar boom on the lower half. It came apart with surprising ease using this method!
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
10 Mar 2006 7:40pm
if it happens again try tapping around the join with a bit of wood - this seems to break up the sand particles allowing the mast to separate a bit easier as you pull them apart by whatever method.
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
10 Mar 2006 9:28pm
like Robby Naish used to say, "If you haven't got your 2 peice mast permanently stuck together, your not sailing hard enough. You know when your a pro when you own two 2 piece masts that are stuck together like a 1 piece"
windswept
windswept
NSW
16 posts
NSW, 16 posts
12 Mar 2006 3:14pm
I have experienced this and can recommend 100% the best solution is to get two saw horses, one at each end of the mast and push down at the join and release, and so on. It may take half an hour, but it works everytime.
DavMen
DavMen
NSW
1510 posts
NSW, 1510 posts
12 Mar 2006 10:33pm
Hi one peice masters -'windswept' has hit the nail on the head - worked for me.

Put some towels under the mast on the saw horses to potect the mast.

Note: when u push down on the centre a gap will open up on the underside at the ferrule - this gap will close when u release - so u can insert "feeler guages" in this gap (to the equiv, gap)when it opens up and then release the mast and the gap will close onto the feeler guage - Rotate the mast 180 degrees so that the feeler gauge is on top and push down again - repeat over and over again gradualy increasing the guage.... this can sometimes help the seperation on its way.

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