Modern boards compared to 90's

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sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
5 Jul 2009 6:12pm
Have they moved the mast base "slot" position further back in modern boards compared to those in the 90's? I suppose I could have a look couldnt I but the board is packed away & Im lazy..I just noticed my 2003 bump & jump board has a tendency to round up when I waterstart & after gybing more so than my 96 waveboard.Ive adjusted my sailing to suit but I was thinking about it last night & seem to recall reading something about the mast track position being further back these days..
If so whats the logic behind it?
WindmanV
WindmanV
VIC
819 posts
VIC, 819 posts
5 Jul 2009 7:43pm
Hi, SBC,

Yes, the slot was moved back to take advantage of the design difference in the sails.

Can others remember what this design difference was?

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
5 Jul 2009 6:31pm
More stable draft, C of E nowhere near as far back in sails now.

Also related to the widepoint of the boards coming back and vee changes as well.

Sboard - the rounding up may be more due to lack of volume in the tail?
Haggar
Haggar
QLD
1670 posts
QLD, 1670 posts
5 Jul 2009 8:43pm
Generally wider and shorter for the newer boards .......... easier to gybe, earlier planning, better upwind, but may lose strong wind control .....
Rubby
Rubby
65 posts
65 posts
5 Jul 2009 9:34pm
The trend was to make sails with wider wind ranges and increased ability to hold gusts. The loose leech brought the COE down and forward when raked back. By bringing the mast track back they could compensate for the difference. However, once the boards became wider and the volume moved back under foot, the mast had to move back closer to the center of the board's volume. This started in the early 90's. Boards made in the late 80's had the mast track furthest forward. With a wide tail, however, you need a larger fin and deeper water. Nevertheless, you can hold a wider range of sails this way. Finally, since most windsurfers weren't interested in jumping, the looser de-powered sails sacrificed a jumping ability especially with the mast track moving back. The wider tails also discouraged jumping in that it's safest to land a jump stern first. The old narrow stern boards were more comfortable in a landing.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
6 Jul 2009 12:46pm
Sboard - the rounding up may be more due to lack of volume in the tail?
No this board is much wider in the tail than my old one which had a narrower square tail.
I have adjusted my harness lines on the new board like Guy Cribb suggests.He said that his further back position isnt advisable for pre c 96 boards or people 5 ft 6 or less..which is me on my old board so I will have to move the lines forward a bit for it. His position works well with the new board although Im still getting used to it & haven't had enough stronger wind sails since Ive done it to really see if Ive solved the earlier spin out problem..been ok so far..
Re older sails moving around..I used my old early 90's 5 .6 m sailworks sail last sail.It was less than 10kts so I didnt get planing properly but I really noticed the centre of effort moving around compared to my newer gear! Ive got spoilt.I still enjoyed the sail though..it might be a handful when it gets to the top of its wind range though..
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
6 Jul 2009 1:08pm
could it be different fins in either board or fin position if your old board is a us box?
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
6 Jul 2009 4:18pm
Whats a US box? The old board has a dagger fin ( new ones 29 & 39cms?..from memory) the new one has a more wave type fin..raked back a bit c 29cms odd.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
6 Jul 2009 6:23pm
A US box is a type of fin box. It was the most common fin fastning system until the bolt through systems such as the Tuttle and Powerbox systems were developed in the 90s.

The US box system uses a tab on the fin and a small bolt that screws into a plate that can slide up and down the box in a recess. US boxes are still commonly used for mast tracks.

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
6 Jul 2009 4:51pm
sboardcrazy said...

Sboard - the rounding up may be more due to lack of volume in the tail?
No this board is much wider in the tail than my old one which had a narrower square tail.


I thought you meant 2003 B&J board vs a 96L waveboard ..... now I know you meant a 1996 waveboard yes it is the opposite to what I said
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
6 Jul 2009 9:21pm
Yes the 96 board has a US finbox.
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