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dring44
dring44
WA
38 posts
WA, 38 posts
22 Jan 2011 3:59pm
Hey guys, im having a bit of trouble with my mast, it may seem a bit trivial but my mast wont pull apart..

ive tried hot water, cold water but i cant get it to pull into 2. is there a trick to it? in the past ive had absolutly no trouble, but the other day after a few hours out on the water no luck at all?
i am new to windsurfing, but if anything i would think this would be the last of my troubles haha

its carbon fibre,

thanks,
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
22 Jan 2011 4:18pm
if you haven't got a local tug of war team handy try the 2 booms method....

one clamped to the lower half, one to the upper.... nice and tight...

find a friend, you go clockwise, friend goes anti clockwise....

hey presto...
snake
snake
WA
46 posts
GusTee
GusTee
NSW
266 posts
NSW, 266 posts
23 Jan 2011 12:40am
I had the same problem two days ago. We had 4 guys on it and did not move. Applied a generous amount of rp7 (similar to WD40) where the two halves join, let it sit and soak it in. Next try it came apart. Good luck.
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3571 posts
WA, 3571 posts
22 Jan 2011 9:45pm
very simple...

All you need is:

- you stuck mast (duh)
- mast extension
- piece of wood
- hammer with rubber head

1) insert mast extension into mast
2) hold piece of wood against mast base
3) hammer piece of wood, this will send a shock wave up the mast and eventually drive the two pieces appart

works every time.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
22 Jan 2011 10:01pm
stehsegler said...

very simple...

All you need is:

- you stuck mast (duh)
- mast extension
- piece of wood
- hammer with rubber head

1) insert mast extension into mast
2) hold piece of wood against mast base
3) hammer piece of wood, this will send a shock wave up the mast and eventually drive the two pieces appart

works every time.


And repeated shocks can cause very small cracks in the carbon laminate. Carbon is very brittle.
I'd use that as an absolute last resort.

And as per the last 100 threads about separating stuck masts Laurie can you make this a sticky?

joe windsurf
joe windsurf
1482 posts
1482 posts
22 Jan 2011 10:57pm
i agree with Mark {with the nose n finger issue}
carbon masts are costly and sometimes sensitive
also, this is a common issue and s/b somewhere in an FAQ

personally - pulling with with van and letting parts fall on ground = DANGER
- hammering the mast with a hammer = DANGER

have seen 4 guys workin on a mast and gave up... i went over and 2 of us did it alone
make sure hands n mast are dry ie no slippage, grap tightly and rotate in opposite directions ie simple version of the 2 booms

how about the management question - what can we do to avoid this issue ?
wipe down the ferrule section before putting mast together ??
tape the joint with electrical tape to ensure nothing gets in ???

last time my mast was stuck, it was frozen together :-)
put it in front of car heater and voilà :-)
dring44
dring44
WA
38 posts
WA, 38 posts
23 Jan 2011 9:38pm
Thanks guys,
sorry about the repeated topic, looked everywhere couldnt find the other threds,

haha that van is classic,

after a rather fast stack today where the mast took quite a hit, it came apart when i was packing up so its all good!

Hellemam
Hellemam
WA
45 posts
WA, 45 posts
24 Jan 2011 12:31pm
Since the last time my mast got stuck I have been using electrical tape to cover the join and I haven't had any issues since then.
wespyyl
wespyyl
WA
118 posts
WA, 118 posts
24 Jan 2011 12:33pm
Another method that i've used it to hold the mast with a hand either side of the join and bounce the mast up and down so it flexes while pulling the 2 halves apart.

Worked for me before.
nosinkanow
nosinkanow
NSW
441 posts
NSW, 441 posts
24 Jan 2011 6:00pm
If water pressure from the tap will "pop" the mast apart it'll be tight enough to separate by hand! BTW, if you've ever tried to pull off a cap from an Artline marker pen you'll find that twisting is much quicker and less effort rquired to remove the cap. So are mast pieces, twist is best!

So with this thought, first bit of kit are dishwashing gloves with two people and twist apart from either end. If that fails inner tube wrapped around one side of the join and then a wet towel over that wound on tight like a tornique (sp?) with a length of anything eg. mast extension, don't overtighten! One person holds the mass of tight towel and the other with rubber gloves grabs the other end and twists the mast apart. The trapped sand will grind a nice little spiral on the stubby bit of your mast.

If that method fails sell me your mast bag coz you have created a one-piece mast like the old days and won't be able to use the bag. It was so much simpler...and cheaper then.

DrJ
DrJ
ACT
481 posts
DrJ DrJ
ACT, 481 posts
24 Jan 2011 7:56pm
I find the best solution is to tell everyone "it's no good it totally stuck, it's never coming apart" then let somebody else have a go.... Hey presto it comes apart just like that.

This method can also be applied to jars, knots, zippers and fixings in general.
ka43
ka43
NSW
3101 posts
NSW, 3101 posts
24 Jan 2011 8:14pm
Seriously:
Go to $2 dollar shop, Bunnings etc. Buy roll of duct tape and Box cutter.
When rigging up put 2 bits of mast together, cut 6" of tape. Tape mast joint.
Go sail. Come in, have beer. de-rig and mast comes apart like its supposed to.
Every time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Works all over the world too, funny that
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
24 Jan 2011 5:21pm
ka43 said...

Seriously:
Go to $2 dollar shop, Bunnings etc. Buy roll of duct tape and Box cutter.
When rigging up put 2 bits of mast together, cut 6" of tape. Tape mast joint.
Go sail. Come in, have beer. de-rig and mast comes apart like its supposed to.
Every time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Works all over the world too, funny that


Too hard Just buy the material-type tape that is easy to rip.

Added bonus - less likely to break mast from poor rigging
GazMan
GazMan
WA
848 posts
WA, 848 posts
26 Jan 2011 1:50am
My Ezzy 430 rdm mast recently got stuck together. Brought a piece of wood dowel from Bunnings approx the length of the base with diameter smaller than inside of mast at join (measured inside diameter on my Ezzy 400 rdm which is same as 430). Luckily, Ezzy masts don't have a plug in the base and the sleeve is part of the top section. Also purchased a small length of solid nylon rod which measured close to the inside dia of the mast at join which I placed up the inside of the base before the dowel. Mast came apart very easily with a couple of taps from hammer on end of dowel. Always keep the wood dowel and nylon rod in my van in case it happens again!
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
26 Jan 2011 5:56am
GazMan said...

My Ezzy 430 rdm mast recently got stuck together. Brought a piece of wood dowel from Bunnings approx the length of the base with diameter smaller than inside of mast at join (measured inside diameter on my Ezzy 400 rdm which is same as 430). Luckily, Ezzy masts don't have a plug in the base and the sleeve is part of the top section. Also purchased a small length of solid nylon rod which measured close to the inside dia of the mast at join which I placed up the inside of the base before the dowel. Mast came apart very easily with a couple of taps from hammer on end of dowel. Always keep the wood dowel and nylon rod in my van in case it happens again!


Just out of interest, was the joint taped together?

I guess this is a benefit of the ezzy having the ferule in the top section instead of the base.

Ian K
Ian K
WA
4169 posts
WA, 4169 posts
26 Jan 2011 7:21am
When you finally do get a good mob together for the job it's important you use the day's last burst of forearm strength on the joint, not fighting each other.

The mast's owner should take command of the procedure.

"Anticlockwise everybody, on the count of 3, as if you're undoing a threaded ferrule - 1,2..."
GazMan
GazMan
WA
848 posts
WA, 848 posts
26 Jan 2011 11:18am
FormulaNova said...

GazMan said...

My Ezzy 430 rdm mast recently got stuck together. Brought a piece of wood dowel from Bunnings approx the length of the base with diameter smaller than inside of mast at join (measured inside diameter on my Ezzy 400 rdm which is same as 430). Luckily, Ezzy masts don't have a plug in the base and the sleeve is part of the top section. Also purchased a small length of solid nylon rod which measured close to the inside dia of the mast at join which I placed up the inside of the base before the dowel. Mast came apart very easily with a couple of taps from hammer on end of dowel. Always keep the wood dowel and nylon rod in my van in case it happens again!


Just out of interest, was the joint taped together?

I guess this is a benefit of the ezzy having the ferule in the top section instead of the base.




No, haven't ever used tape, just try to keep the join clean by washing ferrule and inside of base after every sail.

Ezzy mast came apart recently whilst rigging (around 3cm) and didn't really notice apart from different downhaul setting. Was out sailing for around 2 hours then noticed gap at join before derigging sail. No damage done, obviously ferrule on Ezzy masts must be pretty strong as I've heard of others breaking their masts at join when they didn't have the mast halves fitted together properly.
sideskirt
sideskirt
328 posts
328 posts
26 Jan 2011 3:13pm
you were lucky, you didn't crack it....
moondo
moondo
VIC
134 posts
VIC, 134 posts
27 Jan 2011 7:56pm
After all the threads on 2 piece masts being stuck together you would think that this problem would be rectified by now. Taping the join is by par the best way to fix the problem and I think that if each sailor with the knowledge was to say G'day to one that doesn't and show them how to do it, then the problem would go away.
Thank god we dont have 3 piece masts!
busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
27 Jan 2011 5:28pm
Just stick it on the roof rack Its now a 1 peice mast lol
joe windsurf
joe windsurf
1482 posts
1482 posts
28 Jan 2011 6:32pm
sorry, forgot to put this link here :-)

http://www.calema.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=523

btw , I believe North does have 3 piece masts now !!
Walt
Walt
264 posts
264 posts
28 Jan 2011 6:47pm
Hi,

What I have done is I have sanded the bottom section just enough that the mast sleeve together with abit of space less friction together, therefore allow the mast to twist apart at the end of the session easily.

Kind regards
Walt
shark
shark
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
30 Jan 2011 10:32am
ka43 said...

Tape mast joint.


Im in WA where sand is everywhere but it gets in while rigging not when sailing-not sure how it could get in after its rigged?
flipper4444
flipper4444
VIC
1214 posts
VIC, 1214 posts
30 Jan 2011 1:41pm
mclovin
mclovin
SA
724 posts
SA, 724 posts
30 Jan 2011 2:17pm
shark said...

ka43 said...

Tape mast joint.


Im in WA where sand is everywhere but it gets in while rigging not when sailing-not sure how it could get in after its rigged?


exactly, once mast is in sail how is sand going to get in. only thing i do is shake the sand out of the bottom before i put the extension in
longwinded
longwinded
WA
347 posts
WA, 347 posts
30 Jan 2011 1:13pm
moondo said...

After all the threads on 2 piece masts being stuck together you would think that this problem would be rectified by now. Taping the join is by par the best way to fix the problem and I think that if each sailor with the knowledge was to say G'day to one that doesn't and show them how to do it, then the problem would go away.
Thank god we dont have 3 piece masts!


Isn't it a rite of passage to windsurfing greatness. Your not a windsurfer until you've had 6 old timers telling you that you should put tape around the joint whilst watching you, 6 of your windsurfing buddies, 2 booms and a van attached to a snatch strap attempt to prise the f'n thing apart.

oli7
oli7
NSW
110 posts
NSW, 110 posts
31 Jan 2011 10:05am
Tape the mast, you will never have this problem again.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
31 Jan 2011 7:41am
shark said...



Im in WA where sand is everywhere but it gets in while rigging not when sailing-not sure how it could get in after its rigged?


Sand is suspended in the water.

If you drop the sail while sailing, the sandy water will get into the gap that is created at the front of the mast due to the mast being bent by the sail's downhaul.

When you let the downhaul off, the sand will dig into both the top and bottom sections of your mast, 'glueing' them together.

Use tape. Trust me.
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3571 posts
WA, 3571 posts
31 Jan 2011 8:48am
nebbian said...

Use tape. Trust me.


I second that... the problem always seems to be a mixture of sand, carbon being rubbed of and a small amount of water seeping in. Use electrical tape and all your problems are gone...
moondo
moondo
VIC
134 posts
VIC, 134 posts
31 Jan 2011 6:44pm
Walt said...

Hi,

What I have done is I have sanded the bottom section just enough that the mast sleeve together with abit of space less friction together, therefore allow the mast to twist apart at the end of the session easily.

Kind regards
Walt


Great work there Walt Now you have more room between your 2 halves to let the sand in. I wouldn't recommend sanding your bottom section down. A snug fit is best and TAPE TAPE TAPE
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